It is OK Brothers.
Om Shanti.
We´re going to take this straight Up as i am willing now to elavorate on this over. As It Is from the beginning
"Nara-Deva´s First Post" Here.. it is great that you have this consideration with me; here, perhaps yes is the way and place i think i got in count to come to develop this specific points in knowledge we are related or get in touch with, i will thank you all about this - Is such a shure thing, ex.L that am found straight forward imbolved /*(not that i blame anyone for his/her treats otherwise unto me or perhaps my growing values can do actually stand for it as my complete karmic situation were i am found into, that I surely have to get out from this situation also by bearing this heavy load as we eternal beings have over our shoulders at this same time also) weather is a non bk-soul a BK soul perhaps an ex-BK, or even far more advanced and so on. All are related here with i think i can take incount.
I am not native English speaking Soul however, this can also be my letter of practice and faith here with, etc.. That i am committed to. along in writing Yes, i believe that believes are one thing and what It Is is another thing that howsoever can not be separated one from another as well we can let them go side by side as we like then to understand I hope. Languages really does express things in them ways weather one/you/ I /them believes them or not.. is like the Song, you or anyone with a sharp and trained ear to listen will understand, deep inside that in truth felt matters or perhaps here can we clear out these right away, matters, to take in consideration that it is possible and it is just by hearing and hearing Good.
All the same thing, your right on your approach, perhaps i will stand out for myself here then answering to your straight forward questions Mr.ex-l, as important as these are with new one questions askin them in general as a way to get to you all back.
i will take that for granted now i think that i have the right to ask also as it is given to me then (/*whether whom is believed to be here that One who Sing That Song you address to).. Whether it is from the "International D.C. Stand-Title
Hare Räma Potato-Head" that this brahm Kumaris are said to be authorities able to go and find by themselves the answer to this questions and talk for them selves also, you stated that they say that
Bhakti is darkness.. i ask then; What them are doing for them selves, is not
Bhakti, is it? Or is it just a basic
Gyan marg realizations from the incorporeal in as much features there are involved in?? They say
Bhakti is the path of Ignorance because we are all in ignorance this was known by
Brahmä at the same time as much childish intellect He has got anyhow. What to speak about the so called brahm Kumars given authority to even write commentaries to this profound knowledge found resolutions within this Crown Jewell Book scripture. How, then are BKs able to talk about this apart from them Purushartha?? i don´t things so, becouse the mayority to be honest i don´t know if are involved on the Gitä narrations, them say Murli and just Murli so them talk out of Brahmä´s authority certainly.
I will not take as a last word what any BK will have to say about the actual so called transcendental ´plot´ Known "in scope" Song (
Gitä). I will believe much more being sincere with you and all an authoritatively commentary to it even coming from a Human being. Knowing that the personality of ´Godhead´ is the actual narrator, at the same time how and what to speak of His authority, we are perhaps even worthy to get to understand a signle word inside there in yet written.
In A same way and sense
Bhakti is explained as the descending process of acquiring Knowledge As It Is said here there is also the ascending one (process); howsoever that we can get to know firstly. So ascending here i am believing that it is got to do with the getting out of this so called ignorance situation that souls are in every enlightening University being taught of throughout found teachihngs´what-ever´
yagña then, or say (sacrifice) that in there are pointed out along with specific Goals, and differences between each other (say family). These are also settled to be reached as students of which, within each one of these ones as the main “problem” situation is here involved. BKs are found to be satisfied with them understandings, the other half perhaps wasn´t. and another part of BKs can be accepting the contextual flawless and faulty point to set asside any commitment we can be related to.
Well, spiritually talking along with my perhaps semantic approach to it, i haven’t met disownment over my Mom’s dealings so if you ask, in particular over how she finds me constitutionally but, pertaining to my evolving process and environmental affairs i am the one sticked to her first of all then, spiritually she may do this when addressing this time or anytime to the in-law facts as a situation may need, etc... They, BKs Brahm Kumaris, as we know or the committed yet succesfull Brahma Kumars the majority of which´s assistants to the University, teachings..etc, I do find disregarded or perhaps from my stage little disregard by the part of the complette Human condition over an actual perspective and over what they are trying to do with them selves, over this very same birth as well as I have learn to live with because brahm is the element in material nature where love find its way to enter this our´s sorrowfull yet limited enviro.
The literature is close to everyone’s hands that the element,
i.e. brahm element. There in is also explained along is different from the Person, even if we refrain to Brahmä or say the brahm element. One is person whilst the other is found to be a considerable element part of nature as well.
Now Naturally, Is it the same thing if we talk of a material example the ether for example here, and the sound elements are also first hand elements to take in count at the same time we´re exposed too, sound travels through ether but of which to each of both you can not grab them with you own two hands as well as souls we can perceive there are; these elements - intelligence is then in us much more sharp than a mind asset likewise sound can not be ignored by a sharp intellect. So what is my point here. what are trying to show BKs to us.. also. (?)
I really came to evaluate and considerate all of this from where I am at up to develope in a more right or perhaps precise mood now as i think i´ve been preparing my self to inquire from. This is ultimately because for in a normal/natural human life the goal assets are relevant also for me they are now IMPORTANT more than ever before, and, perhaps aim and objectives, of this one single human life. Are way much more important facts than not to say I believe this is God of
Gitä, or i believe this not, is this one.. or I haven’t seen that other one is said to be or this one other it is, For, these others etc, etc.. first of all when I come to this point as a human (soul) I am, persona like, it can be Much more important to evaluate what is the
Gitä and what are the problems of Human life itself than any other World Cultural university with the specific Info maybe teaching about to from which any of his willing to understand children’s say members or attendants and so on and so on may take in count also.
SO I can answer Your Questions with other Questions right away; that way I think we can come to a conclusion here, even to the Hole Family affairs etc.. why not to even thikning on Uniting all Familyes over the world Under This One law and Love and orther. Talking them out herewith to the world and its ppl itself to perhaps not try to deviate any other innocent participant non the less with Due Respect then I ask….;
a) What theme specifically Is said to be spoken in
Gitä, is this a simple tune? is this one more single Song? do you know?
b) Does the
Gitä can really solve all the problems of Life as the warriors on the battlefield does encounter?
then;
c) What are then these Problems in Human life say to which any other entity is prone to fall into ?
I may ask this before answering to any of your straight forward Questions, because Ultimately and principally one may qualify Firstly to hear them straight forward answers needed as there; also, at the same time many universities specialised in this Natural - “once in a lifetime” - “prone to be asked questions”, taking Up-root birth within any intellectual / minded soul around the world from time immemorial. I think important that none shall be deviated howsoever from the right questions, falling into the trap of Jumping either over Authority or otherwise the point.
As a centre figure as I see the
Pandav - Arjuna is on the midst’s of The plot between illusion and truth say, from what it is or what is not right to be doing from a background of what is needed actually, at the end, when I came to BKs, my Mom received me as A single and simple one more student filling the lines there happy to see me also there interested, even that from within I felt she was feeling alright seeing me there at the very same time, so I was right away taking the 7 days
RajYoga course therein more famously known as
Bhatti(/*here it is used to be presented as first part a basic Introductory course and when further questions are raised and up to the student or attendant then the Profundization one can be taken amongst the willing and perhaps otherwise qualified assistants), I think I do it trice, but My Mom with due respect doesn’t gave to me the class I think it was not allowed by the center, I can not remember why now, but me and my Brothers where hinted or reminded by Mom about - this, I can do remember clearly otherwise I do the course at that time also and because I was usually seen there for those days at my tender and innocent spiritual awakening intempt to even be related to God´s property otherwise it was allowed, with a no problem actitud from being invited to chill out, etc.. and even I hoped for the old world souls inhabitants to be taken away this place of miseries as are then; Birth, Death, Old Age, and Disease. Partly I understood from that that the Murli is the
Gitä narration from the incorporeal to the world itself (and of BKs) within some Over lapsing
yuga Father
Brahma created once He appeared over this World Drama itself. to cause benefit to many many long lost souls into this suffering world condition. Called the elevated in itself
Yuga. Or something like that, about the (
Purushottam Sangam Yuga). So here a ´new´
Gitä for a new world `order`was being hinted. So if anyone can understand actually and really find its own personal way to find relieve of this problems as are; Birth, Death, Old Age, and disease. Within this very same human life personally, this birth itself Then, the mission of
Gitä can be said to be established or say partially or primarily understood by now, and to a more wide and spread angle of vision to the hole variegated-ness and different quality souls that can be get in touch with or even just related.
what will my BK Mom think if i say to her that Virendra Dev Dixit is God´s Chariot or that
Swami Prabhupäda is the actual authoritative Human commentator of the Main and relevant
Gitä Song as facts we have to encounter before trying to grasp Its message or this and that, there is no sense, no way, My mom would be interested on this both
Yagyas either ; neither she is not personally interested on God Being
Krsna /
Räma or say
Shiva, from this or that clan, ultimately and intimately related to each others I can understand from seeing that BKs say the same as PBKs that
Prajapita Brahma is God and that He is establishing as well as destroying all creation itself in a blink of an eye we can even spare to be part of, what to speak of the
Gitä then. This is not matching to any non interested soul, but I am not one of those, I am interested solely on serving and helping God Persona and that aim and object can be understood from
Gitä itlsef also, and at the end we all have
Bhakti rooted within ourselves, it is Up To Us now to get to recognise that or not, however there are levels of this
Bhakti relationship we all souls have had developed whether inside the Authority or just by our owns. the difference relies on this whether, we like to understand or not.
personally i am interested in the
As It Is version because this way whatever knowledge am exposed to also within this Planet itself even from the childhood that also many many fortunate souls are prone to be receiving this and that boons whether God is willing to give to the actual childrens the straight truth and as we ignorant souls are thirsty for, or as some are thirsty for other things, say, illusion at both times God is willing to grant them or in our case what them wish to be found in at the same time.
So here comes the relevant points I think personally there are in the Role this "famous" or infamous Character as a true Warrior stand out as Krishna’s best friend,
Arjuna, the epic stalwart personality which understood from being The
Pandava whom was spoken the
Gitä once, to, on the battle field of life itself inside this planet(
Kurukshetra “India”) end up taking
Krsna’s instruction to Heart as the story tell us and the As It Is
Vani can guide us through in over this specific essay address I will like to inform that which is probably more important to take in count over the fact that that encounter ended Being to each other as Master and Disciple in the battle field of War itself they are not more best Friends to each other,
Arjuna to
Krsna as
Krsna´s to
Arjuna as they used to be and that Important point am willing to post the Clear assets about because
Arjuna hearing the Hole
Bhagavad-Gitä Plot the
Gitopanishad, understood clearly that, as being the the actual choosen receptor of this succession of Knowledge where we can find written by that Law-Book itself that, The succession channel was Broken until He
Arjuna appeared in the battlefield to re establish this again and again to an unbroken relationship between God Persona and Hide long lost children again back to Its Lap over again, howsoever remember just that, I think Hindus known what we are talking about up to, and if in yours or any other nation this cultural aspects are ignored then you can also have a check in from bookstores and otherwise by yourself as I went on doing b/c also from the Murlis that I was once introduced to, and along now this matters where time and again hinted for us to be remembered of our positions constitutionally and so on and so on as it is meant to be and not deviated from this message itself, this is a matter to take in count over the actual question itself.
Now, we and I include herewith myself into along in many relevant remembrances that for example the complete
Upanishad epic Cultural Book wide world known now to contain the
Gitä in itself also known as the fifth VEDA in the Indian cultural backgrownd out of four there are So (as cardinal points there are) bear the Fact that
Krsna was seen to act somehow as a politician within the heading plots all related to the fact here of being able to narrate or sing the actual SONG to his actual successor and usual best friend specially wrote about within these complete
Mahäbhärata encountering as we take in count and never forget.
That this actually is well understood also world wide or culture-wide and so on the fact that specifically the point in case of his (
Arjuna) therein wouldn’t be even given one more chance given to us that way then throughout his to get to understand what was really all about and yes He’s still a clue point over EX.L questions, about our judgement to what is reality or say truth, and what is not out of which, If we have really in count this and even then a keen interest over finding the actual real thing and the actual happenings over this world stage over this day a day basis that to our present condition as students and living entities we are directly now intouch with, probably we have to have clearly in count that, that has not or haven’t changed from what it is and has ever been.
Arjuna couldn’t have never ever evolve from this point of his suffering and lamentable condition of which his "cousins" or say destiny or I may say drama etc... Would make of his at least. He took at least (
Dhananjaya) as it is these versions also known as (the conqueror of wealth’s, and so on) the guidance of
Sri Krsna to his very self as his personal Auriga that too… over the battle field. Such front line Army itslef and the warrior decisions could be the actual difference represented of The Master’s, say Teacher figure etc.. to the disciple as in instructing him, He, the Master will be doing anything for His student to take the teaching through (“as the student so is the teacher”).. In anyways possible, then, hence the important and relevant beareance.
Within this
Mahäbhärata epic there is also the part written in
Sanskrit not straight forward Hindi just, the
Sanskrit Vani as is used to be understood in God´s Land, India that
Krsna went to
Dhuryodhana the
Arjuna´s cousin going mad for the Kingdom at the time, to warn Him at last to let go of his ambition he has developed for a kingdom surely he will made fun of at least, he was not qualifyes as
Arjuna and the
Pandavas were,
Krsna or Krishna knew this also and gives the opportunity in
Arjuna´s cousin to surrender to His (God´s) will at last up to the law suits, when He,
Krsna presented before His with this petition, and
Dhuryodhana denied it as His Father
Dhritarstra blind by birth let of this happen, it was
Krsna not He whom asked the Ambitious
Dhuryodhana his son, to leave his self destructive whims, at this time out of
Krsna’s anger to this madd mans he showed His * Gigantic and Opulent Universal Form and at last His advertisement was reaching His profound wishes at last, so politicaly Fair these is resumed by the epic.
Krsna is Human also and at the same time is not Ordinary Human Being as sometimes He´s think to be so wrongly.
Krsna within the
Gitä As It Is versions from the Cultural backgrounds that this
Vani take us to understand, Just Show us that as well As important epic These Is to be considered before any other approach or what is it all about. (The Real
Gitä) is a think I understand clearly this point to be the centre point itself of life, so... not even a try of a
dehdhari guru or brahm Kumar etc.. could build up a difference on what was the real message with so called new knowledge, etc.., what to speak then of whom is God at least within this very same Hole & Complete in itself Creation, I stand on your shoes or anyone’s shoes my Moms shoes and I go deep into my thought trying to even understand if I am worthy enough and lucky to been even able to understand and carry on this message and over how I need to make out my life out of which this Human life at least can be successful. This is the first point I can consider now over realizing, what is and what is not from a more general stand point I want to be considering about firstly and then from now on.
I am not even a writer, what to speak of
VyasaDeva´s authority that is still standing and Living in sound. We do even ignore what all He has done and written and He was also a single soul developing out his life being a saint and austere and so on and so on being, etc... Are then we proud or worthy enough to even think that we are able to understand what plans do have God along with Him? And to us... ? I mean this really in truth that if are we really interested, and to follow His authority, as He himself guidelines it out for us?
Well, I feel comfortable enough here to even shout out in someway AND CHANT abuot or other things that shall be known at this point or perhaps relevant to me or any toher implicated universty before answering boldly or even trying to get closer to its definitive Questions say and or answers.
whom are we then to understand whom God is, even
Vyasa is said to be His Literal incarnation or say Chariot in writting and for the ppl whom ignore this part ; out of which many can be BK-souls by now he has written the down the complette
sanskit Veda (
Veda-vaani) compiler, He wrote down to hand writing about the complete Four
Vedas and the fifth from which´s
Gitä also known as just hinted as the
Gitopanishad is found by now in
Sanskrit within the very same
Mahäbhärata thousands and Hundreds verses, he has DONE his work was done about the ocean and the oceans of Ink job we souls find about writing about God and His Personal Pastimes and that example is the truth itself that we can not be tearing apart or jumping over for need of any quick answers to our real thirst being even real or perhaps worhty
Arjuna´s, if we are not sincere to the
Gitä itself as we could be then this a silly attempr to answer this questions.
To get to understand this point clearly, well,
Vyasadeva has done that in a language is healing for the soul, the
Sanskrit because everything in
Sanskrit is a
mantra and
mantra songs are also known for the power them have to deliver the conditioned and dirty minds and what to speak of sane and clean minds then, of this world.
For God this is not new God more than anyone knows that if something can rise Up very High It have had also to go Down.. So
Bhakti and
Gyan are there at the same time and to reach along this both processes of realising the Supreme Absolute and Personal and definite Personality of “Godhead” /* as this has also become one of the main aspects over realizing the true
Gitä in itself these both
margs (paths) I think can be going well in advance for once and for all up to this quest of our thirsts.
perhaps the Job of the brahm Kumars changes here to shift when entering Brahma Kumaris Org as them get in to understand this huge aspects and points say even in
Gyan or throughout
Bhakti in a simple matter to what one´s got to know basically in this life as living entities then, somehow otherwise there won´t be a chance settled as a path to the willing souls to really get to understand things as Them Are directly. The As It Is version.
So when i came to
Gitä that i hope i can be one humble candidate, to this i had received to be for me actually.. as i ahve taken the relevance and personally as
Arjuna does that so ; and so even as he becomes that way the channel for being receiving this antique supreme Science because the an As It Is version actually shows this out, that this realizations can be explained confidentially as Science proof to anyone whiling soul to get to Understand them, in truth.
Now, Joel was sharp on his assertion that other reasons there are outside and of spelling then, them perhaps here comes our qualification and that also comes along to us as the chance, better say opportunity to get to know ours own place within this caste so called system that society does functioned well with over India, over India the caste system division was the way to satisfy Lord
Vishnu, this will make of a society a sustainable and flawless one. If all are
Shudra, or if all are
ksatriya the present society won’t be a flourishing one, it will be seen as a Dog´s Chunk´s one, this is actually possible when the society got specific roles to be taken care of, that way we qualify to play our roles, and we can see from our asset that much over what more qualities we’ve got from nature and ´her´ modes
i.e. in of working.
for example that if I have Brahmin qualities or iif i say then the
Brahmana qualities having born with and had developed this as a permanent asset over my works perhaps the most possible I can is to even show them here as a permanent assets, even up to this birth I aspire to become one, that if I have more passionate qualities in working perhaps I can develop my
Ksatriya tendency, etc, etc., and so on and so on. This is also being explained in within the Crown jewel like
Gitä also that eeven a Shudra can part take of (Brahmins or brahm Kumar also know this well), or within the
Upanishad scripture, perhaps that way i can do think on going forward to get as closer to that Supreme Being as in a person to person talk can be or relationship He is ready to explain and talk with all of out.
But, education is such an important matter even when we come to understand a socio linguistic plane and aproach as I find even language and communication actually can be. and evolving, Even
Dharma is directly related to it, also within any so called society, establishment, and so on and so on.
So to the grain actually my grain is all about fellows as the general Idea we’re stressing out here over the fact of ADVANCEMENT, this is my point, and if am a single Brahma Kumar as I been closer to that (Family) University I’ve been in touch since I was considered to be younger than I am now, I won’t deviate from building such a constructive and diligently discussion that perhaps I find my self too heavy enough to get my mind into to try to understand it, to get in also or perhaps even thinking on building a record I will valorate as I wouldn’t like to see ppl interested into, or even evaluating this sole idea amongst the
varsa (Inheritance) like how does I, myself or you can expose this also to the innocent souls that are being deviated from this simple and yet straight answers to the life itself question that rises Just Once in a lifetime.
now, John say;
Yes, I meant this forum.
How long has she been a BK?
If things are put in the forum from Murlis or BK literature, would she consider that defamation?
What I mean to say is that there are revelations from the BK archives which are being posted on here. Would a BK not want to know what they are?
I guess if she is a long term BK she may already know some of the hidden bits of the Yagya. It's shame you cannot get her to have a look, there are some important parts of documents from early BK life and it would be interesting to see what she makes of it.
The Fact is, that I can see these are Really important facts to considerate from within BK life itself and beyond otherwise within or without the main consderation, I think the senior posts or sits are relevant to a reliable source aspects of understanding and of giving and receiving knowledge because I am not much more time within the teachings than my Mom itself has been this is not even logically considered because either way I do found these complete
Yagya facts as more relevant than what the world actually has to tell about, so from BK aproach i do stick to Murli. Perhaps tehre is also defamation, because what will be the use of a knowledge such crown-like knowledge, if it is not complete by himself. So here’s a points pointed out from the perfect knowledge stage (self illuminating) standard and from then the actual battle has to be fought with, i think.
Anyway i think she can get into, becouse we have a nice spitritual relationship all by itself.
My Mom is a ´long term´ BK (and for me) and i will talk about time not being considerable here, even when it is A principal aspect explained about within the
Gitä. The actual main points by itself are few to be considering them either way what would be a senior Brahm Kumar perhaps someone in charge of something by a Center can be that, perhaps someday, who knows then?
well, my point is not to blow this out either ways i think i had found the right place to try to realise this evolutionary step i am planning at the right moment to get to understand them right from the basics. Interested, yes i am in doing also this that you Jhon are stressing out about a so-called false intent to try to understand, to evolve from a basic to a more advanced stage of understanding then, yes i agree this is beneficial to the BKs also, i can do spect of life to be righteous and will not even be interested about mines to get to be told about things i may or not may know about.
Bansy, your are also right on saying that.
Whom i am to deffy God plans then, he has thought me nicer things out of which’s this material world´s stearing from where i am coming to where I’ve got to go.. This Final Vowel matter used to be left away by BKs as a personal consideration as some of you may say i find it, it can not be giving me the comfort to be leaving that all away, whilst i intent to leave this body, i understand i can not runnaway from it, as to face holely and entirely this body of mines.
i think from my BKs perspective i need to evolve right now, other wise i will be found tied within the material perishable world that every souls are naturally suffering in for. then life itself is possible to be of which a joy.
Going Back to what my Mom is thinking now, perhaps she leaved me away right about the material assets aspect of my life, and it happens from the stand point of to let me be an individual, this is other spesific aspect of The
Gitä in itself; the Individuality that of which each and everyone normally has, she realized that she’s not the authority to be saying this is this way or that should be that way, for things to get done. Howsoever natural it is in BKs to say how things must be going or done, by them. i see her in love serving to the Incorporeal self so even then BKs can not be blamed of what them need to understand really. Father
Brahmä loves them; i mean to say Bap+Dada does.
i will get back to the warning now straight to the line of personally I being warned over not to stay here, belonging to this material world itself or say this or that family, this place can not be called Home howsoever, at least my Mom knows this and perhaps can be thought about things she still doesn’t find to the moment relevant to her realization assets then. But i once do... Now, about PBK
s family and the originally Glorious
Om Mandali gathering if you John are refraining to, etc... etc.., i think are base-like-wise important aspects of the soul realization process and or facts trying to be getting to the perfection of the stage certainly here of knowledge some of us once were hinted about being as important as the last moments of our life’s are said to be to us (as the thoughts in the End so shall be the Faith.).
this distinction in language, region, culture, nationality, etc spellings, traditional ways to say or mean, education, can be all contained within one aim and object whether we talk over a socio-linguistical study Uniting stand point that is, the world Wide family of souls to get hinted from
*/even today we can get to clear all this firstly (i think of mine´s personal assests too) along with
Gitä also and self realization as we are being part of, so we souls should clear out that individual obligations or simple considerable facts that we couse to ourselves willingly or unwillingly we have to be at date as per this responsibilities find us actually this concerns to us and us just, committed or not committed we really do have to make our assets from inside a non perishable account to be solving Life problems as at the same time becoming eternal beings finding to be transcending Death, Birth, Old Age and Deseases. Is that Easy. we become conciouss Souls as is being also registered within the government lawsuits, etc... etc. as a right birth for each and every part taking soul, be this University be this Government asset or that Government, assets and so on basically underlining that even there are souls whom do not know whom
Krsna Is still even what to speak of how God may reveal or show Himself to the lucky person out here willing to turn once and again His/Her sight at His so called Lotus Feet’s. this is the
Gitä and allways will be the
Gitä then
I can also do get to talk about Clarifications if this takes part of which I also can understand that a fair point of starting to Understand would be called or recognized here, about the three words that make up one word: and that would be here known as
Mat+Mana+Bhav. Merge your Thought into my mind Instruction. From any well versed University be these or this other one , we can do find.
I ´ve Found myself many so called sects over the hole world wide family that gathers or sect founders that are related to from a bold and
bhogi approach to trying to understand the absolute or ultimate truth deviating and misleading the innocent public from the actual authority of getting to understand this real facts. As Them Are then. It is also known that
Boggha is for
Bogghis also !
I am serious. What is this "Krsna" thing all about?
Yes this things Is, is all about seriousness actually. For example that if we are willing to Understand or even find ourselves trying to understand this many other principal points knowing of which you, can get to know everything and about the Supreme Personality of God.Head. For Example, that BKs say
Bhakti and
Krsna aspects are the aspects of Ignorance maybe they are right on trying to know what is really ought to know now…
How will they the BKs or PBKs or even anyone even dare to separate
Prajapita from
Krsna’s figure, however
Prajapita is One bound to
Karma and Karmic debts… How we can date and try to site and to understand
Krsna taking away with us
Krsna’s
Vani from it, this is not even Logical. But
Krsna came to canvas his dear fellows into getting in, to know of Him Just through Him, that is maybe the ´ scrambled saligram Potato Head breakfast´ we can give to ourselves reminding of which each morning we can have our meals and, over again, willing and qualifying us to understand things from its actual and important root matters as relevant it is.
This is all about; the realization of this Supreme Personality of God, a few of us is still battleing, when it is so easy, YOu Aproach to the right person, The Real representation of the Master, and or Teacher. So the Authority can tell up to the moment How Lord
Krsna himself was needy to understand
Srimati Rädhäränï´s feelings and so, he advented about 500 yrs in Bengal within a well versed community of
Brahmanas in the disguise of His pure devotee (the
Vaisnava) He appeared to bestow the complete Moon of benediction upon all the suffering souls out of Which mercy He, the Supreme Personality Of God took birth in Bengal inside a well established Brahmin family over the mood of
Srimati Radhäräni´s spiritual mellow and or Humour. This is then Understood clearly that one can not understand
Krsna´s
Lila (pastimes) without a right source to His. for exaple the
Vaisnavas are told to be the only capable Human beings to comment without deviating any soul of the real mining of the
Gitä or the
Bhagavad -Gitä teachings. becouse
Vaisnavas are the
Vishnu Bhaktas even Purest in them stage them can deliver God in it´s talks along too with his message and at the same time found not to be misguiding thoughtful souls. Solely conected the Universal Master, as them travel thoughout sound. ans so on and so on. this would be a good aproach. as is also known
Krsna not only played the
Lila by the batlle field of
KurukShetre, but
Krsna also plays His
Lila acompanied with
Srimati Rädhärani and all the in love
Gopis of the Supreme Husband of all in all From the most elevated Planet known as
Cintamani Dhama, or
Goloka Vrndavana. the Million petals ever blissfull Planet in itself, transcendental to this material planet in whose we are found into. we know this as
Bharata.varsa, planet Earth. So
Krsna´s
Lila Is not ordinary
Lila.
i.e. In Murlis, I have seen there Hinted directly that Even Ram and Krsna had fallen down in this Sangam Yuga itself i thikn we´ve got to clear out this somehow or other these are the
Sanyasis that keep pure India even till today aloof from its complete downfall, perhaps we can also get through the Historical point of view from the example
Sri Shankarächarya that it is said to be an incarnation of
Shankara saying that in His
Gitä commentary that He accepts Ultimately Lord
Krsna as Ultimate the
Gitä narrator. (*/
Shankarächarya till today keeps on being the head thought of the impersonalists souls and philosophical branch of Knowledge, or say gathering. Etc.. )
Krsna Himself shall speak for Himself and for anyone as we can also see that He is also our Big Brother, for the others maybe a husband figure and as well as for other ones a friend figure for others a son, as he will be pleased to be related to as Father also out of this now as this variegated ways we can find like to be related to Him ; -- So as He advented Lord
Sri Caitanya Deva, to this world drama stage once, As it is Known In India, not only to bestow
Krsna to amongst every one and of His Devotees, but to bestow Love For
Krsna,
Krsna Prema directly As a most munificent incarnation showing us the perfection of Life, He is said to be In many scriptures Hinted to come to this world, as the Golden
avatar (GOURAnga), and as the authoritative
avatar for this present
Kali-Yuga condition of which we can be related to directly and, just only if you ask He does really show up to his pure devotees ultimately. Still there are people trying to know the Supreme person and Ultimate Truth as it is given to our actually, a basic principal point understanding that in life the majority of times it just depends its continuous flowing of which is just important to know about what it is really relevant to oneself to get for each just that specific amount say bank balance etc.. here with, What is solely needed for sustenance. then that any/many other extra things are not needed sometimes as well as it is one self getting a full meal with about 250grms each meal our stomach can find ultimate satisfaction, and so on, I come again to understand here clearly or even trying to attempt to get it over how people even try or dare to say
Krsna this or
Krsna that, however peaceful intent is concerned along with. So, I find by my own personal experience that it is Lord
Sri Caitanya’s mercy as He is the Authority and even it is stated within the law books, etc. etc.. .that very same point (date and revision date - or, canto and
sloka in hand), He is the way to get to Understand
Krsna as you can find it there is no other way to understand He´s as He is and for Himself Personally, one particular point here I can get and try to differentiate from other partial or delided undersatanding are out there about whom He is nor to build diferences
Prajapita Brahmä´s figure that this
Prajapita Brahma or God is also not in the guise and looks of any
sadhu sanyassi/ however much
Brahmä did or not payer attention to this
paramparä line succession authority of Knowledge, that if you go to the law Books anyone may find by himself to that point of getting a right source of understanding
Brahmä knowledge was imparted inside out from His heart and as well as He began to spoke everything started to be Created, that is all in all
Brahmä´s
Vani about that,
Krsna wanted to see Him there Creating - that, these two do not have to change themselves also. Out of which they also study from
Shiva. Or
Shiva´s
Vani. He comes, God, one God ShivBaba and makes the souls listen. Where else we can go and sit and listen to the
Gyan then of the creation from its beginning, middle through the end. There is too much cheating going on in this world now days. That perhaps the only thing we can do is to stand up firm and fight it individually to try and face it, Lord
Räm Chandra is known for doing this, and just through the arrows of Knowledge he was found victorious as we are also able and can emphasize with actual accuracy over the important and relevant or irrelevant points In Life about this one itself.
As I think is the awareness of
Gitä itself is all about. Perhaps from then on we can start to understand and try to go forward to get ours to that quite more reliable point of realization.
Here I will like to perhaps not to compare but to take in count that we can study creation as God
Krsna’s creation or as God
Shiva´s Creation, Understand that them both act differently either ways we can not be misguided as innocent public we may be into.
What is explained generally to the point in consideration is that, be from within this one or any other party of inquisitive souls around the world as the Sun and the Moon are Unlimited light giving bodies in this Drama and will ever be ever since time immemorial as they are in the sky always related to each other also we can not be less diligently or not take one right away from one another. So well
Prajapita is one who is affected by the
Karma as well we can see as
Shiva is not for being beyond the effects of which
karma we find them both acting in one body. So the actual clarification point is that
“Father sits down and talks to the souls. Does He talks to the Bindis? Father´s not really a bindi Himself. When he talks does he talk as a bindi? When it is said He talks then definitely there must be a body through wich he talks” (Murli 21.3.69) I personally ignore why this Some Clarifications I have find over the internet tool very dear to this present step forward in my consideration they are that I am taking here with as going forward I want them also to have them present. I think that up to this point there is perhaps from within the Specific Universities in question the aim and objectives to our personal considerations - we can get to talk about of which’s have been the actual to date records recordings and of many classes and addresses there might be; given to the children now, to give them a chance to Understand out of which also I find Very Relevant Here the place for comming to do so . And that is I think the clue key of even getting the chance to get to understand also there is another more advanced word that is,
Madhyajibhav = all actions for One God and no one else.this comes after reaching a
mat+mana+bhav stage. this is clear here.
So I find myself here today realising that for my owns self that what ever I have been looking for or wanted to know I have found “
JO PANA THAT WHO PA LIYA”.
So understand that i am here willing to do so any question this essay may attempt to clear out my and also mind perhaps may rise, i am not hesitating to get to the points if needed.
Please, this is the place for doing so.
Thank You,
Regards & Om Shanti.
Nara-Deva.
03 Apr 2007
I have printed it and will read later.
. I shall be trying to take in the relevant points over the next week or two or ten 
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