I started typing this before John question above and ex-l reply - so maybe its out of date.
Yes ex-l I knew you knew the answer. I was chuckling contemplating your possible reply as I typed. Maybe your over-egging the quality of your question though?
But maybe Brother, I am not the only one who hasn't lost their BK sanskars. Are you hearing but not understanding?
As you know, it's not the BK organisation that defines the Murli as above. It's the one who speaks the Murli - whoever you believe that is.
You know the words - "spiritual Father speaks to the spiritual children" - but if you don't accept that the one who speaks the Murli is your spiritual Father and that you are his spiritual child, then you are right - quoting Murli won't "cure your ignorance". It's not supposed to 'because it's not addressed to you.
My experience is that it is entirely pointless trying to convince anyone of anything on the religious front. From your posts it is clear that you have alot of knowledge about the religions. Have you been able to "explain" anyone away from their point of view? The hallmark of the religious souls is that they don't get converted - apart from Hindus.
ex-l said
" What Shiva says is true because he says it is true, that is the proof. And don't think any further about it ".
Is that a direct quote from Jagdish Bhai?
My experience is that the religious context of Gyan is beginning to fall away as I understand Gyan more. The religious context is Bhakti. Most souls are Bhakti souls, so if you want real Gyan you've got to dig.
Bhakti stories mention - churning of the ocean creates the power (then they picture some guys stirring up the sea!).
It seems you have found "BK Gyan" wanting - as PBKs did. For me to understand advanced knowledge I have had to think about it constantly, applying it, looking at it from all angles, re-considering the "normal / accepted" BK and PBK interpretation. Really start again and consider Gyan without any of the super natural stuff that creeps into all religions to "explain" how God creates the world.
As I suspect you've discovered, it's all too easy to just accept information without realising why it's true (when there's so much of it). However when something doesn't make sense, I reckon there is truth there if I can work it out. Whereas maybe you are concluding it just is not true.
Whose right? Who knows?
As I understand it, when all other alternatives are exhausted, when all philosophies have been discussed - and the world situation demands an answer - there'll be only one answer left. But maybe I got it wrong.
Jim