Or is what I just outlined more to do with defaming individuals and individual name and fame "DEFAMING the Yagya" is different I presume. The aim and object of the collective therefore being to earn name and fame. Is this a worthwhile aim and object? Perhaps the following question would be, why would a collective want name and fame? And does it have to be for negative reasons?
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I am not sure if this is going on a parallel to that being discussed above but aren't members here struggling with the idea of what is deemed a culture which is more Asian than Western? In Asia, it is very common to call elders by names such as Elder Sister, elder Brother, uncle, aunt, etc and these terms are used towards people on the street and bus. It is quite a common thing in India, China, Japan, Korea etc; and I even see it in some black communities. The Western culture is very direct in terms of its relationships between people. You work in a US or UK company and first names are common between persons of a wide age gap; whereas it is not uncommon to hear even family-type (Sister, Brother etc) terms used in predominantly Asian companies. Thus when it is said that in Asia, the respect for elders is inherent in society, this is something that is seen from a Western (US/European) point of view, but in these cultures it is quite the norm. It all starts from the family at home.
Regardless of their inefficiencies due to changes in modernisation, the elderly are still given high regard because it is said that you won't be here if they weren't here (i.e. you would not have been physically born). It is very common to see children caring for their parents until old age and living together, whereas this is less common in Western cultures. In Western nations, there is a huge reliance on pensions and old age homes since no-one will look after them. But in Asian cultures, even with pesions and savings, the young look after the old.
Thus the Brahmin culture is in essence a family culture based on Asian traditions. If a Westerner has trouble with this, it is because of such sanskars. Whilst one may question the integrity of Seniors, there are two types of Seniors in the BKWSU. One type of senior is of the Indian type who have these Asian culture traits. The other senior is of the Western type.
It is very interesting to notice now that in the lokik world, there are over 2/3rd of the population in the Asian continent and that now India, China, Japan combined can easily surpass Europe and US economies in a few decades. There is a lot of collective cultural understanding in Asian countries to do this, and economic power and later military, nuclear and space power will come to the forefront. But the underlying unit of collectivity is the family units that make up the overall structure in these Asian societies. You see it simply at the airport, when huge Asian families turn up at the airport. Or go to your local shopping mall.
(Note aside - This is a slight attack on the new immigration proceedings proposed by the UK to charge thousands of dollars and restrict visas to 3 months on relatives visiting the UK, it is simply a racial tax ... anyway back to the post).
I feel many Asians do not really have same trouble with their relationships with BKWSU Seniors but they have trouble with their access. Whereas for Westerners, they are given the access but cannot bridge the relationship divide. Generally speaking, of course, there are exceptions. For those who have been centre coordinators, this may have given you the deepest insights to the Asian culture that is somewhat like a honeymoon as it is so fresh to experience at first but when the novelty runs off, and your Western traits return to counter those Eastern traditions. It is dealing with opposite forces.
The Western economic powers are very aware of this and try to penetrate the Asian countries, first by military rule, which always fail in the end due to the misunderstandings in culture. The West tries to imply that Western ways of doing things are the right ways, whereas the Asian nations utilise the Western ideas and assimilate them into their cultures. F1 in Malaysia, China and India, and look at the potential receipts in Olympics and World Cup.
I give this lokik comparison because this is also an alokik view. Westerners still look the the Asia and orient as still mystical and mysterious places. In the UK, the Chinese chow mein and the Indian curry and the Turkish kebab are at the street corners but a typical British dish is Cornish pasty and chips. In the US, the Americans love the Mexican food but not really love the Mexicans.
Double foreigners are told to be double effort makers and double this and double that by the BKWSU because they have to be able to cross both the bridges of the West and the East. Even Madhuban and Bharatwassis do not have this title given to them.
So when I see Dadi this or Dada that, I see an elderly person, regardless of their inefficiencies or weaknesses. Because one day I too will be seen in this way when I get older. This understanding of "age power" is an implict component within the Asian culture which is more acceptable even amongst young Asians growing up in Western nations. When a BK allows you to sit on the ghaddi, it is not about power but about accepting you into this family, letting you sit on the most important seat in the room, not because of simply your effort making, but accepting you into the room. Even the Dadi in the room wishes you to sit there. Since you know that, by being on the ghaddi, everyone else in that room is probably even more humble and purer than you. It can be abused, but in the end, the true self eventually comes out.
What frightens many Western nations is the coming of Asian power into society, including the recently new CEO of Citibank and various posts. For every one US citizen skilled in making a GM car, there are 10 chinese and 9 Indian citizens with the same potential. Watch out for the trends in "Forbes number of billionaires" in the next few years.
I've raised a long post on many wide topics, a mix of lokik and alokik. I also hope if more Asian members in this forum can elaborate on this.
I am not saying what is right, but I feel that harmony only exists when one learns about acceptance in being within a unit. One can also be accepted into a number of units, as it eventually means acceptance of one self. I was watching a documentary and noticed that views of high school and university students 15-20 years old, are not so different. They all have the same potential and wishes for ambition and future of their worlds. A student wearing spectacles in Columbia University speaks with the same enthusiasm as that of one from Mumbai and another from Beijing and all have smiling faces. However, in about 20 years time, a many of these children and young adults will be limited by the "real" world and "borders" which they build around them.