arjun wrote:But you don't hesitate to perform these actions in front of anyone, whereas sex is done in hiding, everyone tries to avoid its outcome by adopting different methods, is not it?
Having sex outside in nature is joy and thrill and practised VERY widely. The main reason for not having sex in public is that you would not want either some jerk off to find you and spoil a beautiful, exciting moment ... or to get off from watching voyeuristically. What are the figures ... only about 20% of direct hit fertilizations actually become babies and there are plenty of ways to do it that will never cause pregnancy.
It is actually possible to do it for hours and be satisfied for days or weeks afterwards. Many love affairs sustain individuals for the rest of their lives. But what would the Dalai Lama know about that? Remember too that from a BK point of view, he is living in a complete illusion that all his Buddhism actually works and leads to liberation; whilst the Brahma Kumari "know" and teach that is all false.
Although I am sure that encouraging Nigerian males to tame their trouser snake is a virtuous thing, I see a huge fault in his argument and a double entendre like "conjugal life causes too much ups and downs" comes straight out of a Sid James comedy ... 'Carry on Lama'.
The point is, a life of celibacy really only works in monastic system and one would need the entire monastic structure, including a caring welfare and hospice system for old monks and nuns, in order to sustain individuals for the whole of their lives. Those promote celibacy do not offer a social welfare system of support for others. Mostly, they only exploit their own self importance at being able to keep their knickers on ... to gain the funds to support themselves.Sex many well require "too much up and downs" but an early life of celibate meditation will certainly turn out to be "short period satisfaction" when you become 75, are incontinent, have a stroke or Alzheimer's disease like Prakashmani ... and have no family to look after you. Because sure as hell, you are going to discover that your BK friends are too busy doing corporate consulting seminars to want to look after 24/7. I do not think celibacy within the BK system is such a wonder ... a lot of them (personally, historically and culturally) would have found it hard to get comfortably laid in the first place. File under "no big deal".
This is one of the dangerous illusions about the Brahma Kumari system. It is elitist, as in only for an financial elite, and a pyramid sales outfit. "Look at us ... we are penniless princess and Dada's princesses" they say. Sure, they have their followers to provide a free hospital and free full-time care ... but not all BKs followers could or will. Not even a fraction will.
So, the top of the pyramid gets fed, watered, sheltered and care homes ... but the bottom 90% that pays for it all ... NEVER WILL.Dalai Lama wrote:when you use human intelligence to make comprehension ... those couples always full of trouble. And in some cases there is suicide, murder cases,"
The above are equally true of the Lama system. It too is a pyramid system ... and the big farce is, its history is full of plotting, murders and conspiracies, financial gain, physical and other abuse. So what exactly is he selling? It human idiocy, not sex, that is the common factor in both systems. It strikes me that what both are really selling is themselves as being "special" and that the celibacy factor is at least partly about milieu and mind control of followers.
Although I agree that celibacy reduces ups and down ... and getting lumbered with an abusive husband or stupid, greedy, selfish wife is a hinderance to ANY way of life ... I do not think that celibacy alone produced enlightenment or human development. Its what you do beyond that point that counts. Be celibate, do nothing produces nothing.
At least being sexual produces the chance for another soul to take birth, work out its karma and perhaps improve the world ... and produces children that might tend your farm (or pay taxes) that will feed you when you get old and sick. As a system of spirituality, the BK system can only work with the theory of a total Destruction coming along to save their faces before the whole pyramid structure falls in on itself for the lack of new members and sufficient numbers ... as they all do.