Truly ex-I,
I am answering as best I can.
I understand that were quite a few visions and experiences in India at the start. One day DJ said in class that we had all had our experiences on entering Gyan. There were more than 30 students and it felt as if everyone agreed and were each happy with our own experience. I, personally, do not find the history that important, if something can awaken elevated states of consciousness in me it really doesn't matter if it's history goes back one year, 2500 years or even 5000 years. You just don't refuse keyhole surgery because in all of recorded history surgeons have cut their patients open. On occassion I wonder if the BK touched us all in such a way that when our karma is finally cleaned up we will find ourselves in the most wonderful consciousness. I read the biography of Milarepa, Tibets Great Yogi and readily admit that his path was far tougher than mine has been or is.
I know the BK have something remarkable to offer but in certain of their actions they seem as fishy as can be. Their activity often seems hard and harmful. But there is more to it than that. This is our story and our story is one of growth and evolution. If you were to speak to Milarepa during the long years of his effort when his teachers treated him so harshly I really don't know what he would have said. But people read about his later Satsangs and even centuries later are inspired. We don't know everything.
It seems that you found the BK uninspiring and their works dastardly. I found the best knowledge I had ever heard, the company of angels and yogis and found it most insightful and inspiring but far too painful and I thought unjust so I left. We all had different interactions at different times and have a different tale to tell, collective agreement would be very BK like and possibly untrue. No one said a growth process was going to be easy and a growth process aimed at awakening consciousness could be much more difficult than many.
I often speak about using the mind as a tool of creation rather than as a tool of commentary, my impression is that most skim read this idea. On the one hand we look into the world and evaluate. But on the other hand we look into ourselves and create. Deep inside us the treasure that all effort makers seek stirs. Lets knock the BK but lets also continue to make effort and look forward to the day when that treasure emerges.
Last night on the way to a chess match, I stopped by a local church for a moment and wondered what experiences may lie within. Christianity continually offers spiritual knowledge but a person can attend every Sunday and die without experiencing God Consciousness or possibly in their terms Christ Consiousness. Many of those who are deeply touched become monks or nuns and of those some are genuine mystics. Well that's my best guess. There is holiness in Christianity. If one cannot accept BK teaching find another or make your own - just continue to make effort, never ever give up - because giving up is defeat.
This thread and we've strayed somewhat, is about Jewels From Dadi Janki. BKs believe that The Imperishable Jewels of Knowledge come from God. Some see what DJ says as advice from a fellow traveller along the way, yet others see it as the best advice that it is possible to have on this earthly plane. We treat it as brainwashing nonsense. It is said that many are called but few are chosen, I think the BK do everything they can to ensure that all are chosen. Things seem to go wrong but do they?
Every person I have met suffering from bipolar disorder did not believe in karma. They thought life's experiences were arbitrary. If karma is true nothing ever goes wrong but they thought they were flawed. The doctors told them so. What kind of effects are one going to create in this life if one thinks one has been permanently scarred in some way? It does not matter who or what or how, if a person has a challenge one way of dealing with it is to embrace their karma and to understand that nothing is permanent, each little action they perform, each little bit of effort is significant and that they can transform themselves and their situation. Could there possibly be a more empowering understanding?
Karma also explains why some people experience God Consciousness and others don't, it also explains why some get "flashes" of God Consciousness prior to it becoming full-blown. Most know what a white sari is but appreciation of God Consciousness is another matter. It seems that we cannot see further than our own level of evolution. If we wish to progress there are times when it is to our own advantage to trust those who can see more, even if its for just a short time. The mud in our lives is not for destroying it is for culturing and refining much as the alchemists of old turned base metal into gold.
I am answering as best I can.
I understand that were quite a few visions and experiences in India at the start. One day DJ said in class that we had all had our experiences on entering Gyan. There were more than 30 students and it felt as if everyone agreed and were each happy with our own experience. I, personally, do not find the history that important, if something can awaken elevated states of consciousness in me it really doesn't matter if it's history goes back one year, 2500 years or even 5000 years. You just don't refuse keyhole surgery because in all of recorded history surgeons have cut their patients open. On occassion I wonder if the BK touched us all in such a way that when our karma is finally cleaned up we will find ourselves in the most wonderful consciousness. I read the biography of Milarepa, Tibets Great Yogi and readily admit that his path was far tougher than mine has been or is.
I know the BK have something remarkable to offer but in certain of their actions they seem as fishy as can be. Their activity often seems hard and harmful. But there is more to it than that. This is our story and our story is one of growth and evolution. If you were to speak to Milarepa during the long years of his effort when his teachers treated him so harshly I really don't know what he would have said. But people read about his later Satsangs and even centuries later are inspired. We don't know everything.
It seems that you found the BK uninspiring and their works dastardly. I found the best knowledge I had ever heard, the company of angels and yogis and found it most insightful and inspiring but far too painful and I thought unjust so I left. We all had different interactions at different times and have a different tale to tell, collective agreement would be very BK like and possibly untrue. No one said a growth process was going to be easy and a growth process aimed at awakening consciousness could be much more difficult than many.
I often speak about using the mind as a tool of creation rather than as a tool of commentary, my impression is that most skim read this idea. On the one hand we look into the world and evaluate. But on the other hand we look into ourselves and create. Deep inside us the treasure that all effort makers seek stirs. Lets knock the BK but lets also continue to make effort and look forward to the day when that treasure emerges.
Last night on the way to a chess match, I stopped by a local church for a moment and wondered what experiences may lie within. Christianity continually offers spiritual knowledge but a person can attend every Sunday and die without experiencing God Consciousness or possibly in their terms Christ Consiousness. Many of those who are deeply touched become monks or nuns and of those some are genuine mystics. Well that's my best guess. There is holiness in Christianity. If one cannot accept BK teaching find another or make your own - just continue to make effort, never ever give up - because giving up is defeat.
This thread and we've strayed somewhat, is about Jewels From Dadi Janki. BKs believe that The Imperishable Jewels of Knowledge come from God. Some see what DJ says as advice from a fellow traveller along the way, yet others see it as the best advice that it is possible to have on this earthly plane. We treat it as brainwashing nonsense. It is said that many are called but few are chosen, I think the BK do everything they can to ensure that all are chosen. Things seem to go wrong but do they?
Every person I have met suffering from bipolar disorder did not believe in karma. They thought life's experiences were arbitrary. If karma is true nothing ever goes wrong but they thought they were flawed. The doctors told them so. What kind of effects are one going to create in this life if one thinks one has been permanently scarred in some way? It does not matter who or what or how, if a person has a challenge one way of dealing with it is to embrace their karma and to understand that nothing is permanent, each little action they perform, each little bit of effort is significant and that they can transform themselves and their situation. Could there possibly be a more empowering understanding?
Karma also explains why some people experience God Consciousness and others don't, it also explains why some get "flashes" of God Consciousness prior to it becoming full-blown. Most know what a white sari is but appreciation of God Consciousness is another matter. It seems that we cannot see further than our own level of evolution. If we wish to progress there are times when it is to our own advantage to trust those who can see more, even if its for just a short time. The mud in our lives is not for destroying it is for culturing and refining much as the alchemists of old turned base metal into gold.