littleo wrote:Here is where I don't agree. You present it as if people are manipulated.
I mean BK center.
littleo
moreclearnow
ex-l wrote:Whether you believe in Destruction or not, and how true that statement is or not, Destruction is at the core of Brahma Kumarism. Brainwashed day in day out to them.
ex-l wrote:I know perfectly well it is all true because I lived the life and have studied the religion, probably more than almost anyone.
moreclearnow
Pink Panther wrote: People who think for themselves, can argue in original and to-the-point ways rather than parroting from a text book or obfuscating, who can accept criticism or acknowledge when they are mistaken if it is done fairly or accurately, and without feeling personally offended, such people should be welcome here.
That is, if rather than thinking freely and speaking for themselves in search of truth, someone is speaking as a "representative" or ambassador for others from a party-authorised script, they are irritants on any forum. If you do not want to think outside the BK square, what are you doing here?
moreclearnow wrote: But you tell me, whenever positive expressions are used here, why does it always come down to being branded as a BK and then instructed "go and provide Murlis". How can one do it if he is not in the BK system anymore?
Have you not specified somewhere on this forum that you were in to core of BKs only for a year or so?
Your problems primarily are with Seniors ...
You are proclaiming that you are the authority of truth?
moreclearnow
ex-l wrote: What I wrote was that I remember I followed the principles fully and faultlessly for at least a year (Amrit Vela, morning class, celibacy, food etc) and then I spent a few years half-in half-out, but could not remember how long.
How long did you fully follow the Maryadas for? Have you ever followed the Maryadas?
I am thinking you never did and so consequently have no idea what BKism is really all about.
moreclearnow
ex-l wrote:More later ... I am sorry, I don't have much time and energy right now to answer but, Moreclearernow, many of your accusations are very vague, wide and undefined. I have no idea what you are talking about and so you will need to be much more specific.
I mean, what on earth is "nasty talk"?
ex-l wrote:I and a few others have studied more about the history of the BK movement and the evolution of its philosophy than any BKs; and that most BKs are still involved in promoting a false and fallacious propaganda version.
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ex-l wrote:I am sorry, I was still editing two posts when you replied and am tired.
I thought I asked *you* to put forward *your* criticism and *you* replied ... but now I realise that *Littleo* has jumped ahead of you and it was he who wrote it.
Is that correct?
It's right up above so you won't get away with misquoting me.
What on earth is the advantage of going to other centers and listening to other people's opinions? Don't you remember the lessons on Shrimat, Parmat and Manmat?
When you tell me you stuck it out for 5 years I wonder, how on earth did you delude yourself into believing in 5000 Year Cycles, "two to three years until Destruction", dinosaurs around the time of Buddha, and that people like Janki Kirpalani were amongst the 8 top souls in all the humanity?
moreclearnow wrote:These things never mattered to me because I did not believe that I would have gained anything by going around on topics like 5000 years or dinosaurs.
moreclearnow wrote:... I did not believe that I would have gained anything by going around on topics like 5000 years or dinosaurs. For me, key principles worked beautifully and fundamentally whether it was a delusion or not also doesn't matter as I accepted and do accept FULL RESPONSIBILITY for my choices in life.
You cannot just put the blame on others for your consciousness choices. If someone told you there are 2-3 years until Destruction, and you believed it literally, then that would mean somewhere in your subconsciusness, you also wanted this to happen.
moreclearnow
pawan_kr wrote:It is the best way to dissociate (BK's miracle word detach) yourself on issues or topics which you can not answer but still defend BKs