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A letter to the President 2
About politics :
This post is about politics so if you don't like that, I advise you not to read it.
Thank you ex-l for your answer. I admire the song. Pink is a great artist. This song remembers me of a simular one I listened to when I was a child. It is about the same question how a president can sleep quietly at night, doing what he does.
You're right about the remark what kind of mentality is in it. I posted the letter as an example of how far people can go to advertise their beliefs and for those that are still in or exiting the BK an eye-opener.
I am a bit surprised that still these kind of letters are send to high officials etc. The BK teacher in our center said these tactics were common in the 1970s and 1980s but were abandonned because it proved to be ineffective and gave outsiders a weird impression about the organisation.
But what is weird ? And what is normal? I agree on ex-l's last remark. High officials etc probably receive thousands of these kind of "fanmail" and it leaves them unmoved. What came to my mind is that of course there are "weird" people running around in this world.
However, if you consider Shiv Baba as the Supreme Soul and our Father, as this soul advertises itself, why does it uses foul language and wicked idea's to promote his ideology. Why does this soul uses the power that it regretfully and undeniably has over people to delude them and sort of brainwash them ? This letter is not but could just as well have been written by Shiv Baba itself ...
What kind of so called "Father" would feed it's children these kind of sick idea's. No wonder you get distorted, society-hostile individuals. And we all know that children in the BK also get victimized by the doctrine ...
Mr. Vicente Fox :
Mr. Vicete Fox is another story, weird but I got to hear a part of it. One day there was a discussion about the results of the organisation as far as growing in numbers. Then they came up with Mr. Fox (what about nomen is omen). Anyway, the teacher told me about an Oxford programme. It was set up by a professor who had travelled Latin America and Asia to find answers for reoccurring and similar theological and or cutural phenomena or something like that.
However, during his travel this professor had come across the BKs in India (probably the headquaters) and had been enculted. He then set up a programme in Oxford (not the SML-training (*1)). Brief BK teaching was one of the subjects being talked about, but not the only one. No meditating was involved but, of course, one could follow a real course later on ... It was packed in an official subject of the study program any Oxford student could choose for.
Later on (probably) Mr. Bacon had joined them, they talked about a very billiant student in both ways.
This professor had met Vicente Fox at an airport briefly a few years before, when he was still working in the Coca Cola company and wanted to increase his efficiency. He encouredged him to come to Oxford to do some study. In Oxford, the professor approached Mr. Fox and started talking about BK-ism. Got him to become an adherent. It turned out that Vincente Fox wanted to become president of Mexico. And, of course, the professor wanted to promote BK-ism. So probably an unspoken deal came out of it.
The second time Mr Fox met this professor, the professor had convinced Mr. Fox to promote BK-ism in Mexico and Mr. Fox wanted to turn Mexico into a BK-state, his "Foxilandia". That's why they set up this huge program later on ... which I think is false because you cannot mingle with people's free choice. I questioned them about this step and said that, in my view, people needed to be informed about in what they were being trained and what BK-ism finally is.
The teacher said that as long as there was no meditating involved, people were not automatically being part of the BK. But if you read the astrix(*2) at the end of this post you see they were being enculted later on in a following course ... According to the BK teacher, however, the employees and high officials still were not adherents in strict sense. It would all start when they first meditated, that would "ignite" them ... And then they would still have the choice to go on with it or leave it for what it was.
The strange thing is that (Mr. Fox wanted that) all the officials had to be taught simultaneously, as in one stroke. (Was that to minimize opposition and critics ??)
As I was in with the BK, I met this professor. He had brought along one of his favorite students. The student wanted to follow a few subjects abroad and the professor had chosen to join him. Both were BK-adherents. Of course, they were visiting BK-centers as well. That's when our teacher told me that the professor was quite effective in aproaching people and making connections, networking.
As we started talking he told me that he and Mr. Fox, and probably also Mr. Bacon that ex-l mentioned, wanted to "do" the same thing for the US. I told them that no way one could get close to the president of the US. That a person of that rank and position is shielded off from the world. But this professor told me he already had met Mr. Bush senoir when he was still in the oil business and that he also knew his son. He told me this son had ambitions to become president as well and they were targeting him.
As Mr. Fox in the future would be close to Mr. Bush jr., they could "do" the same thing for the US as Mr. Fox was planning to do for Mexico. Then they were hoping (conspiring) to do the endgame. I opposed but they said Destruction had to be. Mr. Bush and "the American connection" were just a way of getting the job done ... It was then for the first time I came to see the more sinister side of the movement but my perception was blurred by the meditation and the probability of events in the future that, according to me, were unlikely to take place. It seemed all highly hypothetical they said ...
The teacher said that maybe this was the way to get the end-job finally done, after so many failures, since the 1950s and 60s. When I asked what the teacher meant by this sentence she said that the BK had been trying to work towards Destruction since that time. So far in vain.
I replied that I thought "transformation" was a self-generated proces. The teacher then said it wasn't and that the BK actually had to destroy the world. The old world wouldn't go all by itself. She showed me her sinister traits when I opposed. I was so perplexed. All I could say is that I did not like the concept. It still gives me shivers if I think back to it ...
The teacher said that maybe this time their efforts would lead to Destruction after so many failed predictions by Shiv Baba, who each time gave them a new opportunity to do so ... And that it was because the adherents did not work hard enough that Destruction hadn't come about so far.
I replied that it was not sure that either Mr. Fox or Mr. Bush, Jr would become president but they reminded me of The Cycle. The BK teacher said it had all happened before. The BK teacher respected the professor a lot because he had himself found Madhuban. According to them, he had found evidence that The Cycle was true. (I doubted that, even at the time).
A difficult part :
The teacher told me the professor had already "concluded The Cycle himself". She said he knew about all the events that would happen and had put them in order. He had then sort of travelled back to do other things. I asked the teacher why he did not stay in Madhuban and spent the rest of his life there. She replied that here was nothing to learn there for him anymore. He already knew everything. He had already encountered all the difficulties the soul comes across on its way to the (BK)-God.
I am sorry to tell that up till today I still don't know what exactly they meant by all these enigmatic words. To me, at the time, it seemed as if he or they knew about the future, or future events and tried to influence them to a negative, destructive outcome. It was and still is one step too far for me to take. I only know that it did not seem right to me the way they carried on and that I felt objected by it from the heart.
The fact is, according to them, that Mr. Fox wanted to become president and had made a personal deal with Shiv Baba. They told me about this. And that they had asked Shiv Baba in person, when he was in Madhuban, if Mr. Fox would become president of Mexico and that Shiv Baba said that it would be so. Confirmed it. Unfortunately, I cannot tell if this meeting actually happened because I wasn't around at Madhuban to check it at the time. In fact, according to them, very few people were there witnessing it and they made it to be that way.
The professor told, Mr. Fox had even himself been once to Madhuban to confirm his deal with Shiv Baba face to face and had received assertion of his roleplaying. This was because the professor had insisted on Mr. Fox that he would at least meet Shiv Baba once, face to face, after he had made the deal with Shiv in private.
However, Mr. Fox did not want to spend too much time in Madhuban, did not wanted to go through the whole seasonal program and surely did not want to be publicly recognized there (because of his remarkable tall appearance) so, according to the professor, they sort of "let him in through the backdoor" so that he could meet Shiv Baba quietly alone. He also did not want to go to Madhuban when he was close to, or running for, his desired presidency, so he visited the place in the early years of his acquaintance with BK-ism.
I discussed with them the reason why Mr. Fox wanted to become president in the first place. The teacher told me it was Mr. Fox' personal wish/deal and that a child of Baba could become anything he or she wanted. I objected to it and argued that the world would probably be better off if Mr. Fox. served humanity in a different way instead of becoming a worldly ruler. "Why not become a true spiritual man?", I asked. They objected and were very pleased with Mr. Fox' halfway transformation. The teacher said to me, "If he wants to do so, let him be; he serves us well."
Now again, I know that this sounds very unbelievable. When we discussed it, it was spring 1991. Mr. Fox was elected president in 2000 and Mr. Bush jr was elected president in 2001.
To continue :
However, "they couldn't get close enough to Bush jr". I don't know exactly what they meant by that. But "something" seemed not to work. There were too many people around him, standing in the way. His drinking seemed to be a problem too. They said this was maybe the reason why he was not susceptible for the doctrine. The professor made a remark that he wondered if Mr. Bush jr would make it to the presidential elections anyway. Not only if he would get this far for running presidential candidate, but also if he would survive his drinking habit all together.
They were telling about another way to get to Mr Bush via Asia. I remember Malaysia being mentioned. I asked them what on earth Malaysia had to do with it? The teacher than replied they were a very powerful organisation, spread over the whole world, and that they had adherents everywhere, in every country. It puzzled me, but I think they were trying to impress me. BK-ism is not spread over the whole world right now. It surely wasn't back then. (I checked that when I was asking about centers in another part of the world and there weren't in this country).
The professor then declared that this Malaysian student, their "contact person", was a son of a high official, something like a consul or ambassador. I don't exacly remember that though.
Funnily, shortly afterwards, BK adherents from Malaysia and Indonesia blew their silent diplomacy by writing similar letters as the one listed above to Mr. Bush senoir. The professor was highly irritated because the person in Malaysia who wrote first was a very respected and calm person. The professor had told this student in Malaysia about his plans and asked if he would cooperate but when it took too long, or at first glance did not seem to work out, this Malaysian student at the time had reacted in this way. The professor had not expected this person to act so extreme.
Personally, I think it was a good advertisement for a bizarre cult ...
They told me Mr. Fox was even financially supported (by his friends). I guess that was not for him to make it able to enrich himself later on during his presidency by enlarging his ranch (for which he was criticized officially --- besides is not it strange that a BK supporter believing in the end of times builds his own "mansion" ...). Later on, it became a political scandal that Mr. Fox took money from foreign financers (The so called "Amigos de Fox" or "Friends of Mr. Fox-Fund") (*3).
In Mexico, it is forbidden to accept money from foreigners during a presidential campaign. This was said by the professor. But it wasn't forbidden to accept money from friends and so this elaborative construction was set up. It was made un-transparent on purpose. The professor was quite triumphantly about it. It wouldn't surprise me if the BK was directly financing part of Mr. Fox' campaign ... The professor at least made a double remark about that. Told "they" were directly involved.
The BK teacher than raised the question who those friends of Mr. Fox were because they could be anyone and have any kind of intention. The professor responded softly, "The Brahma Kumaris". This was one of the matters discussed at the time.
The professor declared that the construction of the 'Amigos de Fox'-fund wouldn't be too difficult because he also knew a close friend of Mr. Fox, also working at the Coca Cola company. This man had already shown his interest in BK-ism when he told him about it. The professor would make his effort to get him at least more interested and, if not so, sympathetic to BK-ism. The professor was quite confident that it would work, maybe with the extra additional help of Mr. Fox.
To me, it felt like dishonesty to use the money collected from adherents (as they then explained to me for the first time), to organize trainings later on for government employees who were unaware of the BK teachings and intentions (let alone to finance his campaign directly ...), but the teacher answered that, to her, it was a correct way of using the money. It would win new adherents. There was no better purpose ...
At the time, I discussed with them that a person running for president would have to be married in order to be public acceptable/feasible. They told me that, in fact, Mr. Fox was. A few years before becoming president, Mr. Fox divorced and re-married.
I guess the BK and Shiv Baba pardoned him for being twice married because of the "great" work he did afterwards. And maybe he was "only" a BK supporter and not a strict adherent. It was said that Mr. Fox did not wanted to abandon his Roman Catholic belief, so his spirituals were mixed. Anyway, he was taking the best of both worlds ... at the expensive of his own people.
That's the story I came across. They rest is history. Mr. Fox became president of Mexico and Mr. Bush jr. became president of the US and they became friends. Mr. Fox did his job, Mr. Bush (probably) remaining untouched by BK-ism, did not.
According to them however his "being untouched" was relatively and a matter of time. They said that Mr. Bush jr. was influenced at sanskara-level and that these sanskaras would led him to become and play a role in favour of the BKWSO in his next incarnation.
To conclude :
Of course there are many more factors playing a role in this complex process. But it shows how the BK is targetting for high officials or worldly renowned or famous persons. How they even surpass the rules of common moral behaviour in many, many ways.
I think it also shows what a creepy organisation the BK is, up till the very top, with (probably) Shiv Baba included.
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Additional information :
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For more insight in the SML program see : http://www.brahmakumaris.com/courses/122.html
As you can see it promotes BK-ism. But at first glance one wouldn't say so.
(*2)This comes from Wikipedia, topic BKWSO
Concluding that "doctrinal assertions are socially divisive and thus counterproductive to their primary goal" the Brahma Kumaris have starting building coalitions and leading conglomerated networks of cooperation. One such example, with the support of Vicente Fox, was carried out under the guise of a commercial enterprise introducing Brahma Kumari teachings and practises to the Government of Mexico through the "Self Management Leadership" course which grew out of Brahma Kumaris beliefs and is the backbone of Brahma Kumaris management philosophy. 90 trained facilitators ran programs through which 25,000 people at the top level of government have passed.
As additional information Wikipedia said :
Musselwhite, Richard (Sep 2009). "Possessing knowledge : organizational boundaries among the Brahma Kumaris". University of North Carolina : pages 141, 163–164, 174. " "The problem was that up until that time, my relationship with him had been through the Brahma Kumaris ; but now he was President, and he wanted to use ... not only Self Management Leadership, but the whole strategic focusing thing and his party was the center-right, Catholic party. They're sufficiently fundamentalist for them to have a fit about Brahma Kumaris" "So we went there, but it had to be done within the context of a commercial enterprise. So, we set up a branch of a consulting company there. But the fact of the matter is, most of his senior people have...been to Oxford for the Brahma Kumaris program. Many have been here to Madhuban.... So the Brahma Kumaris have had a huge influence in the reform process there [in Mexico]... We have trained 90 facilitators from the government who are running these programs, 25,000 people, all the top level of government throughout the entire country have been through the course.", " a management training program called Self Management Leadership, which has become the backbone of Brahma Kumaris management philosophy""
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Additional information of Amigos de Fox-fund from Wikipedia
Amigos de Fox ("Friends of Fox") was a non-profit fund-raising group established by Denise Montaño that was instrumental in getting Vicente Fox elected President of Mexico. The phrase was also used as a campaign slogan referring to the millions of people supporting Fox in the 2000 presidential elections.
In 2003, money-laundering charges were lodged against the fund-raising group, but were dropped shortly before the July 2003 mid-term elections.
Amigos de Fox, created in 1999 by the late José Luis González González (a.k.a. "El Bigotón", Spanish: "Big-mustached"), a businessman friend of Fox, and former employee of Coca-Cola-Mexico, like Fox.
After the election and during the government of Vicete Fox (2000–2006) different groups have expressed concern on the management of the funds that the organization gathered. Lino Korrodi, financial manager, and Carlota Robinson were accused of triangulation of funds to the organization. After a citizen requested the Specialized Attorney for the Attention of Electoral Crimes (FEPADE) of the office of the Attorney General (PGR) this was denied. The PGR declare it would reserve the information for 12 years because releasing it would jeopardize the life, security and health of the people involved with the organization.