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Re: The Vatican

Post10 Apr 2018

Ex-I and Pink, I respect this website for its high level of authenticity and it has got to remain that way. The story about the BK literature becoming university presidential garbage was related to me by the sister-in-charge, who is now deceased.

Ex-I, the boy crush and girl crush business, though serious, tickled me with great laughter. I have been on the receiving end of the girl crushes towards me. When it happened and it did many times, I had to pinch myself to ensure I was not dreaming nor was I in some hypnotic state.

Yes, I do admit that I am a magnet for women and it has upset my lady many times, because she is very psychic and can easily detect when women try to get into me. My lady was once very upset because she sensed that a woman was projecting herself psychically into our home! I am not obsessed about being a magnet for ladies; I will make efforts to be inconspicuous nor grey, a term used in espionage.

One benefit of being an ex-BK is being free of girl crush from respected BK Sisters. Had I remained in the BK system there might have been scandals of affairs with BK Sisters and my person globally! I am grateful!
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Re: The Vatican

Post11 Apr 2018

GuptaRati 6666 wrote:Ex-I, the boy crush and girl crush business, though serious, tickled me with great laughter.

Appreciated, but let's keep 'on topic' and discuss BK to BK relationships elsewhere.

I was thinking more about how, without the freedom to express normal, healthy love, attraction and attachment with other human beings, the emotions within Brahma Kumaris become perverted and come in any manners.

Since the very beginning of their cult, the Brahma Kumaris have had this obsession with rich, powerful and famous and have projected their emotions onto or at them ... Lekhraj Kirpalani, of course, being one. Although largely, I accept, there would be no conscious thought of reciprocation on a human level, is not this just ordinary human desires being channelled in a perverse manner, ie ... using women's natural mating instincts?

Taking women's natural mating instincts ... the search for a good mate, a provider and a protector ... and turning them into recruiting devices seeking out finanial sponsors for their centres, donors and public faces for their programmes? They invest large percentages of their resources into capturing them.

However, can targeting Popes, Cardinals and priests be seen in this manner givent that a) they belong to another religion, and b) they are likely to be celibate or gay?

In their case, I'd say part of the interest is in 'status by association' ... making themselves appear to be a reputable organization ... and part of it has been about 'learning the tricks of the religion trade'.

A small part might be a minor thrill for, eg, an ex-Catholic BK to meet them. That is to say, the BKs using BKism to meet their own idols in an otherwise pretty pointless and futile endeavour ... the celebrities, in their own turn, just using the BKs back for whatever their gain is, eg, to appear more spiritual in the case of a politician, or more open and progressive in the case of the Vatican.

May be the likes of the Vatican also wants to "keep its friends close and its enemies closer" and learn more about the other cults and religions too?

But, as with all the dodgy political associations the Brahma Kumaris, normally with more Right Wing tendencies in India etc, how much did we as BKs have to swallow our own political or ethical positions to go along with their social climbing hypocrisies?

I'd use the terms "petit bourgeois" for their social climbing hypocrisies, but I'd be afraid it is a bit dated these days, or even call them "co-hypocrisies" as their targets are largely playing the same game.
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Shiva and The Vatican

Post17 Oct 2018

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One thing is a good point, Shiva is very well rememberd. Even the Vatican looks, in the architecture, like the Shiva lingam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalBSEX_ozk
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Re: The Vatican

Post17 Oct 2018

Strictly speaking, what you are trying to assert is that piazza (or plazza) in front of St. Peter's Basilica looks like the vaginal 'Yoni' part.

Not the phallic 'Lingum' element ... which is the Shiva part.


In the middle of ovato tondo (lit. 'round oval') plazza, there is an ancient Egyptian obelisk that was originally erected at Heliopolis, but I think you'd be hard pressed to argue it was a Shivlingum.

Actually, it was originally made in Egypt, by an unknown pharaoh of the Fifth dynasty of Egypt, circa 2,494 years or 2,345 years before Christ was born (BC) ... or 500 years into when the BKs claim Egypt or Africa did not even exist and they were enjoying the Golden Age on their own in India.

Does that really stand as "proof" of BKism for you?

You don't even think the extreme perspective of the photo is a giveaway that someone is stretching credibility here?
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Re: The Vatican

Post17 Oct 2018

The BKs ideology represents the worst aspects of dualistic, idealistic thinking. Even its original teachings which occasionally referred back to primitive sexual and religious metaphors have been censored, revised and infantilised. No more Murli references to the Vedic horse ritual!

(This is where the aryan invaders who conquered India, largely due to their ability to harness horses and exploit the abilities this new ”union” enabled - and why the Chariot wheel is so important symbolically in early Indian religions. The ritual involved letting a stallion out to roam, followed by a retinue of priests and soldiers making the noise they’d make, until it tired. Then, wherever the stallion stopped to rest, a large tent was erected around it and the queen would enter the tent and ‘mate' with it while the priests outside chanted their prayers.. I heard it referred to once in a Sakar Murli in my early BK days and went out and bought the Rig Veda to read up on it. So much for original elevated Aryan ”purity” which degrades through "The Cycle". Needless to say, it was never referred to in Sakar Murlis after that that I know of.)

Indian school boys like to make jokes about bananas and melons. The ‘projective” river (linear) flows into the ”receptive’ (ovular or hemispherical) lake or ocean bed.

Every tribe in the world has spiritual ideas grown out of primitive observations of ”opposites” that match, harmonise, form and inform each other.

Only the dualists, like the BKs, take that to their fantasised transcendental realities while diminishing the value of natural, material foundations that gave rise to their ”insights” .

Architecture and engineering work with the laws of physics and the qualities of the materials. They aesthetically refer to the same forms found in nature when they need to emulate similar purposes - eg directing flows of people or containing them or things.

The lingam - yoni symbol is more obviously representing union of opposites for the generation of life as the basis of continuation of ”Life" (capital ”L” - generation to generation, propagation of the species if you prefer) than representing any individual’s ”incorporeal immortality”. Its only in the last few hundred years that the individual has become more important than the collective, whether it be family, clan, caste, nation, or asp er the primitive animist view, where we are all part of ”the scenery”, nature, in the same way any tree or mountain was. As the Christian Desiderata document says ”no less than the trees and the stars, you have a right to be here”. Maybe it should say ”no more than The Tree s and the stars”... (we are stardust, we are billion year old carbon) .

Late-breast fed fools think they discovered what every monkey knows then, arrogantly refusing to accept they are but cousins, work out schemes for elaborate explanations of how all of that is ‘chi chi”, inferior representations, corrupted behaviours of some divine ideal to which we must return (the impotent Lakshmi and Narayan of whom we knwo little after decades of ‘Gyan”) .

Talk about putting the cart before the horse!

Mattheus - basically, nothing new.
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Re: The Vatican

Post18 Oct 2018

Pink Panther wrote:The BKs' ... original teachings which occasionally referred back to primitive sexual and religious metaphors have been censored, revised and infantilised. No more Murli references to the Vedic horse ritual!

Can you remember more details about that reference? I am wondering if it is more literal than we imagined, eg Lekhraj Kirpalani as the stallion.

Sure, there were the bull references and the "Baba not mounting a virgin" reference. I bet that one has been removed too.

With regards to the "St Peters equal a Shivlingum" equation, that's beyond mere confirmation bias to some kind of projection ... is there a term for it, when we see or read into things what we want that aren't there?

I know I did it, we were encouraged to, when I was in my intoxication or "honeymoon" period. Any star like shape became a remembrance of the BKs' ShivBaba, eg I remember one specifically ... the compass wheel used on a map.

Of course, it is the kind of projection people with mental illness do, I am not sure where ... probably somewhere in the paranoid-schizoid spectrum.
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Re: The Vatican

Post18 Oct 2018

ex-l wrote:With regards to the "St Peters equal a Shivlingum" equation, that's beyond mere confirmation bias to some kind of projection ... is there a term for it, when we see or read into things what we want that aren't there?
Seeing patterns where there are none

Apophenia is the spontaneous perception of connections and meaningfulness of unrelated phenomena. The term was coined by German neurologist and psychiatrist Klaus Conrad (1905-1961). Conrad's focus was on the finding of abnormal meaning or significance in random experiences by psychotic people.

Unnatural Acts that can improve your thinking: apophenia and pareidolia

ex-l wrote:Can you remember more details about that reference? I am wondering if it is more literal than we imagined, eg Lekhraj Kirpalani as the stallion.

Not really, we’re talking over 40 years ago. But, yes, probably to do with the ”joining” or ”union” idea. The Murli did not describe the ritual - it only referred to it, and I followed it up - especially after Jayanti, I think, proclaimed that the Rig Veda was the oldest book known. I like to chase things back to the source, or, as they say, get it straight from the horse’s mouth! :-D
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