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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post23 Sep 2008

ex-l wrote:Lekhraj Kirpalani retired in 1932 to start the Om Mandli when population was just over 2 Billion. Shiva entered into the equation, by name, after 1950 when population was around 2.5 Billion. The PBKs say Murlis started in, what, 1947? In the 60s, when predictions were definitely made, the population was up into the 3 billions. When Lekhraj Kirpalani died, it was only around 3.7 billion.

So the "5 Billion" was a future prediction that went wrong and then had to be re-written. Does anyone want to pick out other specific numbers from the early papers?

I don't know how ShivBaba (through Brahma Baba) got the figure of 5 billion when the actual population of the world was less than 4 billion at the time when Brahma Baba left his body. But here is a Murli point from the BK section that says that the population reaches 5-6 billion in 5000 years.

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"Manushyon nay Satyug kee aayu laakhon varsh samajh lee hai. Toh tum hisaab-kitaab bataatey ho 5 hazaar varsh kaisey hai. Christ ko do hazaar varsh hua, Buddh ko 2250 varsh hua, fir Islami ko 2500 varsh huay. Sabko milaakar aadhakalpa hua. Inkay pehley toh devtaaon ka raajya tha fir devtaaon ko laakhon varsh kaisey kah saktey. Itnay varsh hotey fir toh manushya bahut ho jaatey. Itney toh hain nahee. 5 hazaar varsh may hee 5-6 sau karod manushya ho jaatey hain. Kahtey bhi hain Christ say 3 hazaar varsh pehley Bhaarat may aadi sanaatan devi-devtaa dharma tha." (Brahmakumariyon dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli, dinaank 5.04.08, pg 2)

“Human beings have thought the duration of the Golden Age to be lakhs of years. So, you tell them the calculation as to how it is 5000 years. It has been two thousand years since Christ, 2250 years since Buddha; then 2500 years since the Islamic people (came). It has been half a Kalpa including all of them. Before them there was a kingship of deities, then how can (the rule of) deities be said to have existed for lakhs of years? Had it been so many years, then the population of human beings should have been enormous. So many (human beings) don’t exist. In just 5000 years the population of human beings reaches 5-6 hundred crores. It is also said that the ancient deity religion existed in India 3 thousand years before Christ.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 05.04.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post23 Sep 2008

Chapter 7 Verse 26 Bhagavad Gita wrote:I know all beings who have passed and all who live now Arjuna, and all who are yet to be; but I am beyond all knowing

When a family starts to grow, maybe it is a bit difficult to count how many children one has, or even their individual names. However, that is of limited human intelligence.

I think Unlimited God can be a bit better and more accurate, rather than having a 20% variation (5 or 6 billion, 5 or 7 billion, etc) and vague figures on dates etc. :sad:
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Post23 Sep 2008

mbbhat wrote:Can I meet them? When did Veerendra Dixit (or Shiv through him, anything) speak this 2 billion souls?. So PBKs have two populations 5 and 7 billions. Was there anything like 5 and 6 billions [or anything different] before?

If you want to meet the PBK mothers/virgins who are in bondages (i.e. the ones whose family does not follow the PBK path of knowledge nor allows them to follow) you will have to visit the mini-Madhubans/gitapathshalas. Alternatively, if you watch some of the Discussion CDs you may spot such mothers asking ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) about their problems (i.e. their husband/family not cooperating with them).
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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post23 Sep 2008

ex-l wrote: The PBKs say Murlis started in, what, 1947? So the "5 Billion" was a future prediction that went wrong and then had to be re-written. Does anyone want to pick out other specific numbers from the early papers?

Dear ex-l.

According to Advanced Knowledge the direct narration of Murlis started from karachi in 1947, but I have still not found any Murli which says this directly. The only proof about the Murlis being started from Karachi in 1947 is mentioned by Dadi Nirmalshanta (Lekhraj Kirpalani's lokik daughter) in Murli Khand 1 issued by PBKs.

If any PBK has this Murli which says that Murlis started directly from 1947, then please upload it on the forum, so that we all can confirm it.

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Post23 Sep 2008

Dadi Nirmalshanta is not a credible witness. Fullstop.

She was part of the deception. She was pretty stupid. She was not entirely in touch with reality. If Shiva spoke in 1947, then where is his name on the old documents and why does the BKWSU still say 1936?

Sure, 'perhaps' that was when Lekhraj Kirpalani started to be the direct medium ... but they still thought he was God. So how and when was it changed?
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Post24 Sep 2008

To all my BK and PBK Brothers.

This is just for information. Once I attended the golden jubilee celebration of BKs in Mumbai center in 1987, where Dadi Nirmal-Shanta was addressing a sangatan. I was present there, and she clearly mentioned that her own Father, Lekhraj Kirpalani, had cheated her in the beginning of the Yagya by saying that, "bacchi abhi jaldi 2-4 saal mein vinash aane wala hai" and so she was forced by her Father to surrender.

She also said that if she had known at that time, that it would take more than 50 years for Vinash, then she would have enjoyed her married life and then come into the Yagya. She also said that she saw her Father as Krishna and there was no mention of Shiva in the beginning.

This is first hand information as I have heard it myself, and not just hearsay.

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Post25 Sep 2008

My apologies to her then, I must correct myself. That is the first time I have heard that. It seems that she had a degree of honesty. And this gives a little more insight into the personality of Lekhraj Kirpalani. I must re-address my concerns to those that edited her autobiography for her to remove all these details.

A shame no one thought to ask her more.
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Post25 Sep 2008

Dear ex-l.

Just forgot to add that after the sangatan was over, the senior Sisters and junior Sisters were discussing amongst themselves that they were also duped by the prediction of destruction in 1976, and all of them expressed their opinion that if they had known that nothing like that would happen in 1976, then they would have never come into the Yagya and would have got married and settled down.

What i am trying to say is that this whole Godly knowledge is a game played in the BK and PBK family to seperate out the three groups 9,00,000, 16,000, 108 as per drama and the truth will be revealed only in the end as to who is playing the game.

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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post25 Sep 2008

mbbhat wrote:Can I meet them?
arjun wrote:If you want to meet the PBK mothers/virgins who are in bondages....

Thank you for guiding me. But I had also asked you about those who have turned back from ex- again back PBKs. I think such examples will not be present in every gitapathashala. So, can you give me address of a gitapathashala where these examples are available? I am more interested in latter than former.
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Post25 Sep 2008

Brother mbbhat, I know some ex-members of inadvance party (inadvance party is a group of ex-PBKs) who have turned back to PBKs.
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Post25 Sep 2008

mbbhat wrote:Thank you for guiding me. But I had also asked you about those who have turned back from ex PBKs again back PBKs. I think such examples will not be present in every gitapathashala. So, can you give me address of a gitapathashala where these examples are available. I am more interested in latter than former.

I don't travel to other mini-Madhubans or gitapathshalas, but I can say with some certainty that you may find such cases in any of the mini-Madhubans. But you will have to visit a mini-Madhubans for that. It is better if you ring up to the concerned mini-Madhubans before visiting it and tell them the purpose of your visit. You can find the addresses and phone numbers of the mini-Madhubans on the website of PBKs.
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Re: Questions for PBKs

Post27 Sep 2008

Thank You for both new knowledge and Arjun souls. I will contact you in October month.
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Post29 Sep 2008

Dear PBK Brothers & Sisters, read the Murli point, "Muktidhaam mein bhi sab patit aatmaayen rahti hain" (Mu date 20-11-96, P-2; Murli Khand, Vol-1, P-325). I think, the word 'patit' is a printing mistake. Possibly, this statement shnuld be as 'Muktidhaam mein bhi sab pavitra aatmaayen rahti hain'. Murli Khand 1 & 2 are collections of zerox copies of original Murlis published by BKs. So, PBKs cannot be blamed for this mistake. Then, who might be responsible for this mistake?
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Post29 Sep 2008

If there are printing mistakes in the original Murlis, who's going to change them ... and have it authorised ? I'll volunteer :D :shock:.
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Post13 Oct 2008

Dear arjun Bhai and PBK Brothers.

It has been said in Murlis many times that "Apni ghot toh nasha chade" ( churn yourself to get intoxicated). So what do we have to churn ??? Do we read and churn the gems of knowledge given in Sakar Murlis and Vanis or do we churn the Advanced Knowledge given in cassettes and cds?

Views of my Brothers are awaited.
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