Food for thought for all PBKs

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Post30 Sep 2008

All the souls and God are bindis (points).

Dear bhat Bhai.

I feel that those who think themselves as bindi (literally) and remember God as bindi (literally) are doing the subtle shooting that "God is omnipresent" (sarvavyapi ki shooting) as in the outside world, also God is considered as Nirakar (incorporeal). I also feel that the real practical form of souls and Supreme Soul will be revealed only in the end, as bodies of subtle light/might (as per Vanis) and they will not be revealed as bindis.

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Post01 Oct 2008

mbbhat wrote:If the driver thinks car and myself same, then he cannot drive.

Funnily enough, feeling at one with the car is exactly the feeling that top racing drivers feel. To operate as part of the machine is the aim.

I know from my own experience on high-powered motorcycles that this is also true. Flyers have it too. One is able to enter into time and space of oneness with the road and machine that create a wonderful peak experience (at the expense of the environment unfortunately).

My guess is that with roads like they are in India, and a religion pushed originally by uneducated women with little more experience than riding on bullock carts, this understanding is alien to them. But then a lot of the truth is alien to them.
shivsena wrote:I also feel that the real practical form of souls and Supreme Soul will be revealed only in the end, as bodies of subtle light/might (as per Vanis) and they will not be revealed as bindis.

Woah! ... That is deep and radical but but you might not be wrong. There is obviously much more to them than just a dot.

One might question "why?" individuals are taught to focus on a point and I would say it has much more to do with hatha yogas and hypnosis (both of which use the same technique).
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Post01 Oct 2008

Woah! ... That is deep and radical but you might not be wrong. There is obviously much more to them than just a dot. One might question "why?" individuals are taught to focus on a point and I would say it has much more to do with hatha yogas and hypnosis (both of which use the same technique).

Dear ex-l.

You are quite right. All the Three Worlds are practising hatyoga and hypnosis by remembering God as bindi-dot and are living under an illusion that they are God-realised souls.

When True God-realisation dawns upon any soul, then one will see the following changes in the soul:

Once a soul is face to face with his eternal Father God, then immediately he should be freed of body-consciousness and become detached from the body and become karmatit farishta. Then he should also realise his full 84 births and become swadarshan-chakradhari and become trikal-darshi (knower of past-present and future) and he should receive the boon of immortality from his immortal Father. And, finally, as per Murlis he should receive the inheritance of 21 births of complete health-wealth-happiness and purity-peace and prosperity. [Murli point: ''Bap mila sabkuch mila'']

Nothing of the above has happened to any soul (BKs or PBKs) who claim that they have met God sanmukh (face to face). All of the above will happen only when the soul is face to face with personified God Ramshivbaba in future. This is what I feel.

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Post02 Oct 2008

mbbhat wrote:There is also a Murli point that says, "The space needed for 600 crore souls is just a line in the thumb (or the size of the thumb, I am not sure)".

Just suppose, the size of the thumb is 4 cm (cm means centimeter). Now, if we take the literal meaning of the Murli point, 600 crore souls cover the space of 4 cm length. Thus, if we calculate, size of a soul appears to be 0.00000000066 cm (approximately). And the size (diameter) of an electron is believed to be 0.0000000000000000564 cm. Here, if we compare the size of an electron to that of a soul, the electron appears to be 1,17,00,000 times smaller than the soul.

Thus, if we consider the literal meaning of the Murli point, an electron (or any other sub-atomic particle like proton, neutron, etc) proves to be very very smaller than a soul; but this fact goes against the belief that the soul is the smallest thing in the world.
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Post03 Oct 2008

shivsena wrote:I also feel that the real practical form of souls and Supreme Soul will be revealed only in the end, as bodies of subtle light/might (as per Vanis) and they will not be revealed as bindis.

Yes, this appears to be a more valid alternative to 'Bindi-swaroop vs omnipresence' debate. This Farishta/Aakaari stage will be revealed in the form of bodies of light/might, which is neither Bindi-stage nor omnipresent nor a stage in between Bindi-stage & omnipresent stage, i.e, Saakaari (corporeal) stage. Now, if the Farishta (Aakaari) stage is neither Bindi nor omnipresent nor Saakaari, what should be the nature of this Aakari stage? And, if viewed geometrically, what is the difference between Saakaari & Aakaari stages, as both these stages are neither Bindi nor omnipresent?
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Post03 Oct 2008

Murli dated 1.10.2008 says, " Is samay tum jagatamba se Vishwa ki sab manokamnayen puri kar rahe ho. Vishwa ka rajya le rahe ho. Jagatamba tunmko pada rahi hai. Phir wahi Lakshmi banti nai.Abhi tumko jagatamba se milti hai -swarg ki badshahi"

Meaning that " Now you complete all the wishes of the world through jagdamba.You are taking world kingdom. Jagatamba is teaching you.Then she becomes Lakshmi. Now you get from Jagdamba-kingdom of heaven."

My questions are based on above Murli point.
1.How is Jagdamba teaching us?
2.If Jagdamba is giving us kingdom of heaven, what will ShivBaba give us?
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Post03 Oct 2008

Nothing of the above has happened to any soul (BKs or PBKs) who claim that they have met God sanmukh (face to face

How do you know about what others (BKs/PBKs) feel and who has got what in their spiritual life?

Are you sitting in all of them? Are you sarvavyapi (Omnipresent)? :|

Even ShivBaba (through Virendra Dev Dixit) does not claim that He knows what is going inside each soul.
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Post04 Oct 2008

Dear suryavanshi Bhai.

I am not talking about what a soul feels inside, but what has he got in practical from his immortal Father. I do not see anything in any BK or PBK which would suggest that he has been meeting God sanmukh daily and receiving his immortal inheritance from ShivBaba.

If you have received any inheritance from God ShivBaba, then it should reflect in your personality and it should be evident to others and not just to yourself. [subjective feelings are hallmark of bhakti-marg and not gyan-marg]

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Post06 Oct 2008

shivsena wrote:The difference between bindi and bindi swaroop is the difference between theoritical and practical swaroop of God. I do not believe in any Bindi Shiva which stays in jad Paramdham above for 4900 years and then comes to earth in 1937 to redeem the world. I believe that there is a soul on this earth which stays as incognito ShivBaba and who reveals Himself as personified God once he attains his 100% nirakari stage. (Murli point: ''iss shristi par sadaa kayaam ek ShivBaba hi hai'').

Dear Shivsena Bhai,

Murli dated 3.10.2008 says, Baap kahte hain mujhe wahan Yaad karo. Kai buddhu samajhte hain ki Baba ko hi baitth dakhein. Are buddhi ko sweet home main lahana hai.ShivBaba to sadaiv rath par rah na sake."
" To budhi wahan rahni chahiye, Baba aate hai , Murli chalakar chale jaate hain. Inmein ShivBaba hi nahin hoga to Yaad kyon kareinge? Murli to yah bhi suna sakte hain. Tum Yaad wahan karo."


Meaning that, "Father says remember him there. Many foolish think to see Baba while sitting. Take your intellect to sweet home. ShivBaba cannot stay on carriot always."

"So, intellect should be there.Baba comes, returns after speaking Murli. Murli can also be spoken by him.You rememder there."

I have following querries regarding this:

1. Where is this sweet home ?
2. According to the above Murli point, we should not remember ShivBaba in its carriot. So where should we remember ShivBaba?
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Post06 Oct 2008

shivachid wrote:I have following querries regarding this:
1.Where is this sweet home ?
2.According to the above Murli point, we should not remember ShivBaba in its carriot. So where should we remember ShivBaba?

Dear Brother,
Omshanti and welcome to the forum. As regards the meaning of sweet home, it is said in the advanced knowledge that the appointed Chariot of Shiv is the Sweet Home as well. So, we have to remember ShivBaba through His appointed Chariot. There are many Murlis that support rememerbrance of ShivBaba through His Chariot.

Since the Copper Age people have been remembering the element Brahm, which according to Baba is the place of residence of souls. When we could not achieve any salvation by remembering the non-living element Brahm, then how can we achieve anything by remembering just a point of light in the non-living Supreme Abode?
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Post07 Oct 2008

Light & Might. I suggest if and when you reply to this sharing you ask yourself why you are replying in whatever way you do. I have and this sharing is simply in the pure hope that benefits may be experienced, nothing more nothing less.

The main thing stopping anyone experiencing themselves & Baba as a soul is their own disbelief and attentions elsewhere, ask and you will receive ... I asked Baba if He existed and Baba drenched me in ecstasy. The soul is the smallest indivisible entity, an atom is divisible in the quantum guestimation ... Remember the smart money in on Dharam Raj being the vision of missed opportunity, forever. Raja Yoga, it is the easiest thing or the hardest thing ... which is up to you.

The bottom line is no doubt !
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Post12 Oct 2008

arjun wrote: As regards the meaning of sweet home, it is said in the advanced knowledge that the appointed Chariot of Shiv is the Sweet Home as well. So, we have to remember ShivBaba through His appointed Chariot. There are many Murlis that support rememerbrance of ShivBaba through His Chariot.

Dear Arjun Bhai, you are saying that Sweet home & ShivBaba's carriot are same. But the Murli point:

Are buddhi ko sweet home main lahana hai.ShivBaba to sadaiv rath par rah na sake

Does it not mean that sweet home is different than ShivBaba's carriot?
shivsena wrote:I feel that those who think themselves as bindi (literally) and remember God as bindi (literally) are doing the subtle shooting that "God is omnipresent" (sarvavyapi ki shooting) as in the outside world, also God is considered as Nirakar (incorporeal). I also feel that the real practical form of souls and Supreme Soul will be revealed only in the end, as bodies of subtle light/might (as per Vanis) and they will not be revealed as bindis.[/color]

Murli dated 7.10.2008 says : "Bacchon ko samjhaya hai-Wah to Bindi hai. Yah bat aur kiski buddhi main nahin baitthaga ki Parmatma ek bindi hai. Atma ke liye kahte hain-chamakta hai Sitara bhrukuti ke beech main. Wah chhoti see cheese hai. To vichar karna hai, Partdhari kaun hai? Itni chhoti see atma main avinashi part nundha hua hai. In baton main jab koi deep jaye tab unko samjhana hai. "

Meaning that " Children are taught - He is point. Other cannot understand that Parmatma is a point. It is said for soul-a star is shining in the forehead. That is a little thing. So, it is to think- who is playing part? Such a little soul has immortal part. If someone goes into deep, it is to be taught."

If soul is not a bindi, then what does these Murli points indicate

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Post12 Oct 2008

shivachild wrote:Dear Arjun Bhai, you are saying that Sweet home & ShivBaba's carriot are same. But the Murli point: Are buddhi ko sweet home main lahana hai.ShivBaba to sadaiv rath par rah na sake. Does it not mean that sweet home is different than ShivBaba's carriot?

In different Murlis Baba has spoken differently. Sometimes He says remember Me through the Chariot, sometimes He says remember the sweet home, sometimes He says remember the heaven, sometimes He says remember the point, sometimes He says remember Madhuban, sometimes He says remember your goal, i.e. Lakshmi-Narayan. And He also repeats in most Murlis that remember none but one Baba. So, if we start remembering so many things, how can it be one Baba and none else?

So, now in the advanced knowledge ShivBaba (through Veerendra Dev Dixit) says that instead of remembering these different things just remember ShivBaba through the corporeal Chariot. But if people are happy remembering these different things, I have no objection.

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Post12 Oct 2008

Can you tell me what size a thought is? Can you tell me where this one went? Have you got it! Have you finished with it yet ? Do we both have it at the same time ... oh, you have now only, where will you put it ? Have you ever seen a thought ? Have you ever not seen a thought ? Do you need to see one or be able to give it a physical large or quantum size to know of it's existence, relevance, location ... Then what is the point to knowing if it's a point or not ... when it can contact anything, do anything or travel anywhere ... subject to its karma that is ;).

What's it like to be Sat Chit Anand ...? Ah well, you would probably have to give up free will to know that! Somehow I think there is only ever One soul that forgoes free will ... unless you want to too ... no? OK then. Next pointless question ... or is the point the question ! :D

Love remembrance and dilsay namaste

That's what my thoughts are for ... Atma, earth, wind, fire, mutable penultimately ! !

AKARTA ABHOGTA

So, the question arise again - what do I have to do? Take power from Baba and do now what has to be done. Baba says remember Baba - do service and I will give you the fortune - do as much as you want. He says I, Myself do not do anything. Each one creates their own fortune. When you perform so many elevations actions and go beyond the consciousness of doing it, you become akarta - the one who does not do anything. Think how can I become akarta and abhogta - the one who does not reap the consequences of actions? When we reach that stage - we become angels. Angels do not hear or speak but their eyes are beautiful. They have mercy, love, truth. And that which gurus can’t do - that which God can’t do - angels can do that. Angels are not called gurus or mother and Father - but they do so much work from above. God says perform such actions ... wherever He is !!!
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Post14 Oct 2008

dilaram wrote:So, the question arise again - what do I have to do? Take power from Baba and do now what has to be done. Baba says remember Baba - do service and I will give you the fortune - do as much as you want. He says I, Myself do not do anything. Each one creates their own fortune. When you perform so many elevations actions and go beyond the consciousness of doing it, you become akarta - the one who does not do anything. Think how can I become akarta and abhogta - the one who does not reap the consequences of actions? When we reach that stage - we become angels. Angels do not hear or speak but their eyes are beautiful. They have mercy, love, truth. And that which gurus can’t do - that which God can’t do - angels can do that. Angels are not called gurus or mother and Father - but they do so much work from above. God says perform such actions ... wherever He is !!!

Dear dilaram Bhai.

You have described beautifully what is said in most of the avaykt Vanis, that we have to become avaykt farishtas-angels (i.e. sukhma-vatan-wasi devtas) and do service with our subtle bodies of light-might, which will be seen by everyone and then the whole world will realise that soul is not a point of light, but a powerful angelic stage(karmatit stage) which can take or leave the body at will. [as described in Vanis as ''anth-vahak sharir, jab chahe sthool sharir ka adhar liya aur jab chahe chod diya'' ] ; Also subtle body of light is shown in many movies like "Ghost" to describe the soul leaving and entering the physical body and a ''point of light'' is never shown as a soul leaving the body.

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