Joined: 15 Nov 2003
|Posted: June 1, 2006 Post subject: || |
This is to inform you that, effective today June 1, 2006, the XBKchat
website is officially and permanently closed. Regarding the closure, we
draw your attention to the following :
(1) From its inception, and throughout its existence, XBKchat was always
a free website.
(2) All posting on XBKchat was done anonymously.
(3) These provisions of the XBK Chat - Registration Agreement Terms,
which every member agreed to:
You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this
forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any
time should they see fit...
By clicking Register below you agree to be bound by these conditions."
(4) Even though not required by the XBKchat registration agreement
terms, as a courtesy to members, you were given a month's notice of the
closure of the site. That notice was posted on the website and also sent
to you by email on April 29, 2006. Also as a courtesy to you, we kept
all the forums viewable to members for the entire month of May and we
advised you to copy your own posts during that time. In addition to all
of the above, we now advise you of four (4) ways in which you may
continue to have access to XBKchat content, even after the site is taken
(1) You are free to use your own posts that you copied from the site.
(2) Others may choose to share copies of their own posts with you.
(3) We understand that even after a website ceases to exist, its
contents may still be available through search engines. For example,
site content may be available through Google's "cached" listings after
the site is closed.
(4) We have been informed of a website www.archive.org where internet
sites are archived. You may be able to view archived versions of XBKchat
there. Go to www.archive.org and, in the box next to "WaybackMachine",
type in www.xbkchat.com/xbkforum/ or www.xbkchat.com/classicposts.html
then click on "Take me back".
Methods (3) and (4) above can be made public, so that those who were not
XBKchat members (and therefore did not receive this email) may be
informed as to how they can have access to XBKchat content. Website
addresses or URLs for search engine and archive.org webpages which carry
XBKchat content can also be provided. What can be provided is not the
content itself but the website addresses for webpages where XBKchat
content is displayed.
Regarding posts other than your own, we see no reason why, in principle,
you cannot refer to them, cite them and quote them. However, we expect
that, if and when you do so, it will not be done in an extensive or
indiscriminate fashion, and you will give proper attribution - both as
regards the anonymous writer and the site where the post first appeared.
Here is an example of what you could say: On the independent but defunct
website XBKchat, the poster (user name or 'handle' of poster) wrote the
following: You would then use either quotation marks, bold text or place
the text quoted in a "quote box". The idea is to clearly denote that the
words being cited are not yours, and to indicate the source of the text
being quoted. You could also give the date that the post was made. Let
integrity, ethics, good taste, sensitivity and your conscience be your
The persons who wrote anonymously on XBKchat did not envisage, nor was
it their intention, that their writings would be transferred en bloc and
displayed elsewhere. We have neither their consent nor direction to do
so, and we will not exceed our authority. Therefore, we cannot in good
conscience agree to that. You were given an entire month to make copies
of your own posts. Feel free as regards your own posts. Be more careful
with the writings of others.
While we are aware that other XBK related sites have sprung up, and we
wish them well, we repeat what we wrote earlier:
(1) XBKchat is in no way connected with any other site.
(2) XBKchat was not involved in the creation of any other site.
(3) XBKchat has no designated successor site.
(4) Obviously, XBKchat cannot be responsible for the contents of any
(5) XBKchat will not be getting involved in any other site and is now
permanently out of the XBK area.
We feel that, all things considered, we have done all that we can
reasonably be expected to do so and more.
We now venture an opinion. Some XBKs feel that once one has been
influenced by the BKs one is forever in bondage. However, you may have
noticed that many who became members of XBKchat made a few posts and
then disappeared. While, in a few cases, that cessation may be due to a
loss of interest - or a resurgence of inhibition or fear - in other
instances it may be that they said what they had to say, took what they
had to take and moved on.
The opportunity to express views and to interact with others helps
people. We know that everyone goes at his or her own pace and the
process cannot be rushed. Eventually though, it is possible - and
desirable - to go beyond the BK and XBK experience, to be free of it.
Just as there was life before the BKs or pre-BK life, just as there was
BK life, just as there is life after the BKs (post BK or XBK life) there
can be post XBK or XXBK life. There can be life after having been an
XBK. A problematic alternative would be to become a "professional XBK" -
For those who feel that they have been hurt in some way by their Raj
Yoga experience, the power of forgiveness and letting go of past hurts
may, ultimately, be the keys to freedom. This approach may prove to be
more liberating than a "settling of scores" or a relentless "I will get
my pound of flesh" hounding of those we feel have wronged us. What is
not overcome or forgiven remains with us.
Continuous engagement with this, even from a retrospective and critical
standpoint, can paradoxically be a symptom or litmus test of attachment
to the BK past, lifestyle and worldview - not necessarily agreement with
those things, but attachment to them. They are still in one's system'
so to speak. Ironically, such incessant engagement can keep one in the
BK net. These negatives are, to some extent, offset by the friendships,
mutual support and validation that the online ex-BK community provides. We
are humbled and gratified to think that we may have had something to do
with the formation and fostering of the community. While we see this as
a major achievement of the site, we are also aware that there is
sometimes a fine line between friendship and co-dependency. Friendships
we should keep, crutches' we should eventually discard.
And the Brahma Kumaris? To their credit, it must be said that - to the
best of our knowledge - throughout the existence of XBKchat, they never
sought to interfere with, impede or dictate our operations. We never
received any complaint, critical or reprimanding communications from
them. Not once. This may not be unrelated to the fact that we kept the
site clean and tried our best to manage it in a mature, fair and
Our mission statement clearly stated that XBKchat is not an anti-Brahma
Kumari website. Even though the site enabled members to express critical
opinions of the BKs and their beliefs, the site itself was neither
activist nor hostile to the BK institution. It was - as our byline
stated - a "meeting place" and a forum for discussion. Serious issues
were discussed here, to be sure, but the posts were not all heavy and
ponderous. There was the lighter side, and a significant element of
humour. We were pleased to read what one of our members wrote. He opined
that XBKchat "is in many respects a fun site." (Post by "hanuman",
December 7, 2004, in the "XBK discussions" forum, under the topic "What
has XBKchat done for you?").
We never had any personal animosity for the Brahma Kumaris. Indeed, we
did benefit in some ways from our now distant encounters with the BKs.
Things are not always black and white. There are shades of grey. Our
disappointment is that the BKs did not choose to actively participate in
the discussions. However, that is their prerogative and we respect it.
They sincerely believe that their teacher is God and that the teachings
are the truth. We wish the BKs well, even as we say this: - fear, dread,
cannot be from God. God is unconditional love and joy.
We have posted the "Notice" portion of this email on XBKchat today. Even
though we have sent this email to all our members, we consider the
"Message" or "Opinion" aspect of it to be somewhat personal in nature.
We do not intend or desire to have that part of this email made public.
In fact, we would prefer if that is not done. However, if any of you
really feel the need to quote from our email, do not be troubled in
thinking that we may disapprove or be offended by that. You can quote
from this - in part or at length.
Private messaging has been disabled and, as part of the closing
procedure, our email will now be disabled. Please do not email us, as
your message will not be received. The members list is going to be
cleared. It has been a pleasure to serve you, and it has given us
considerable satisfaction. We trust that your spiritual generosity will
overlook or excuse our imperfections. You are all fine people. Once
again, warm and best wishes for the future.
Life is good.