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GOD - a 'who' or a 'what?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:27 pm    Post subject:

wahl wrote:
With respect, that means absolutely nothing.

It would have been more accurate if you had said that it means absolutely nothing to you.

No. Objectively it means absolutely nothing. My own personal opinion [ Subjective ] Love may be one pillar but Truth classically is the other balance; and just as much as we have a duty to love we have a duty to truth.

Poetry is fine, it has purpose, I can enjoy it.

The problem with statements like that, coming from the B.K. context, is that they are socially rewarded and then traded and then instituted as if they were weighty " Absolute " Truths. But really, they mean nothing.

And they use or abuse words with implied values, like " raja ", " yoga ", " god " or " love " for things, or states, they might not be at all.

We should strive for an objective accuracy in our terminology.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:53 am    Post subject:

Good morning Satish,

We usually act other way to this like expecting too much in life to happen instead of working on it.

This is so true, Satish. This is the state of mind that results when little time is given to spiritual practice...........our connection to the Divine becomes weak. We act selfishly in this material-conscious state because we have a deep spiritual need that is not being fulfilled...............our recognition of Love is minimal.............instead of a vibration, Love has become just a word! Smile

with Love

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject:

Hey guys, I just squeezed some time to drop by. Just want to say that this bit of discussion reminds me of the maxim "where ignorance is bliss tis funny to be wise." I don't mean to offend anyone but, as I said sometime before, as human beings we live by 'constructs' of religion or philosophy which appeal to us or suits our level of evolution/consciousness. As we evolve, we slough off the old construct and develop a new one that matches our stage of evolution. I have learnt not to argue when someone espouses a 'truth' they hold dearly and passsionately to heart. If one has passed that way, one learns to listen, smile and, yes, sigh.

I'm saying all this because on this site we have largely experienced a great disappointment - maybe akin to the 'Great Disappointment' of the Millerites in the 19th century that gave rise to the renewed faith of the Seventh Day Adventists through Ellen White. We have reacted to it in various ways: some with great anger, others with silent tears, some with a stoic attitude of silence, others with resignation, some with cynicism, others with a resilience that enables them to move on quite smoothly to another level of experience. Merely to respond to the pain of others by substituting platitudes of 'remembrance' is to be insensitive to their experience of disappointment developed over time by fundamental inconsistencies in the experience of RY. Some of us may consciously choose to live with the schism of our experience, others need to experience wholeness, others who can't live happily with contradictions and remain rooted in a Faith that insists its origin is God Almighty.

Put another way: what happens when you wake up one day and realise that your perfect, true love, whom you truly believed to be God, is in fact false and you have been living through an illusion? What happens "when gods fail us"?

Love is essential - and we are extremely greatful for its presence, without which we are lost - but so is Truth. If Love is the power that will take us home, Truth is the compass for charting the course, and, yes, our Intellect is the captain that determines direction. So I share ex-l's view that:
Love may be one pillar but Truth classically is the other balance; and just as much as we have a duty to love we have a duty to truth.

Both are essential

"Those were the days my friend ...."
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