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John



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
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Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:49 am    Post subject:

The books have arrived today:))
I'm quite excited to read them Laughing
John



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
Posts: 157
Location: UK

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:55 am    Post subject:

Has anybody got a collection of murlis they could email to me.
uddhava



Joined: 20 Jan 2005
Posts: 142
Location: Paramdham

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject:

John wrote:
Has anybody got a collection of murlis they could email to me.

I have loads from the year 2003 if that is any good. Unfortunately they only rarely mention the original date...
John



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
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Location: UK

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:32 am    Post subject:

Hi Uddhava




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I have loads from the year 2003 if that is any good



Yes that is good thanks!

My email address is in the members list (2nd page).
Do you know if they are Sakar Murlis or Avyakta Vanis?
uddhava



Joined: 20 Jan 2005
Posts: 142
Location: Paramdham

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:41 am    Post subject:

John wrote:

Do you know if they are Sakar Murlis or Avyakta Vanis?

They are basically the daily class for this year = mostly Sakar with the occasional Avyakta Laughing
John



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
Posts: 157
Location: UK

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:47 am    Post subject:

Smashing super Laughing
bansy



Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 84

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject:

Obtaining murlis..frustrating story... whilst on business I couldn't go to the centres, so I asked whether I could get them emailed to me, as faxing is not always suitable.

Answer : Murlis are not emailed. You're not important enough. Laughing But the centres will print them out and fax them to you if you them, just call. So you can use more paper (very ecological !), and my hotel number will keep changing. I guess the BK centres are forcing you to attend their morning murli classes and go to the centres, since God is waiting for you there ! Confused Well oddly the murlis tell BKs never to miss a murli, except you can't get access to it in the first place.

Well, wait for the day maybe one day God can be speaking to me and the murli over the mobile... Rolling Eyes


Uddhava, how did you get these murlis, did you have access to a centre's PC ?
John



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
Posts: 157
Location: UK

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject:

Yes very frustrating!
If you believe as the BKs tell then Murlis are the word of Shiva and that is how we attain liberation. Therefore shouldn't they be freely available?
Also what troubles me is the way they are cut...who's to decide how and what parts should be cut?
I think to get a full true picture you would need to be able to read all murlis uncut versions...otherwise how can an understanding be accurate?
I've managed to abtain murlis from various sources, but these are very short compared to what I think the originals are. Cutting parts out could be seen as a form of manipulation. One of the most telling points I've read from murli points is that Shiva doesn't enter a virgin....so what is this? Isn't dadi Gulzar a virgin.
celticgyan



Joined: 05 Sep 2004
Posts: 43
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:07 pm    Post subject:

You would not believe the secrecy concerning Murlis - should they fall into the wrong hands. I worked at a centre where I downloaded them - since I was the PC guru. There is a web page run from London (for the UK at least) with a password but even if you have this the Murlis are Encrypted with millitary style PGP! (pretty good privacy software). It was quite a procedure to decript them. Each centre has a separate encryption key too!

Why the secrecy? Well they fear that until you have done the basic course you may well miss-interpret them.
howiemac



Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 142
Location: Scotland

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:42 am    Post subject:

i got involved with the PGP decryption at my centre too - what a carry on - and what a fuss they made over getting copies of the murli - i was never allowed copies of the sakar murlis, even when i was looking after their PC and could have burnt myself a disk containing years of them (i didn't - too honest) I virtually had to beg to get copies of the new avyakt ones as they came out - until towards the end one angelic sister started giving me copies without having to be asked...

Managed to build up a collection of books of avyakt murlis though, some of which are now going spare should anyone want them (John?)

I always felt (and still do) that the murlis should be freely downloadable from the internet - no passwords, no encryption, no controlling mind-games, just openness and honesty.

What is there to hide?
celticgyan wrote:

they fear that until you have done the basic course you may well miss-interpret them.

In my experience they didn't make any sense for a good long time after that! Maybe they fear being ridiculed? I was told they were afraid that they would be prosecuted and hounded out of many countries if the Governments took what the murlis were saying about 'destruction' out of its spiritual context...

This is one area where the PBKs have it right, i think - they publish their murlis and their 'knowledge' openly on the web., showing that they are actually more 'advanced' than the BKs , though that is not saying much..
Tete



Joined: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 169

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:24 pm    Post subject: Decoding

John,

Do the PBKs believe in destruction and do they have a date?

Is the BK destruction date still 2006?

Do you worry about the destruction date? Do you put off things because of it? Like say school, marriage or having children?

Does either group have a concept of letís make this place (planet) a better one? Confused

With all the decoding and secrecy I would be worried about who was working on the destruction. Just a laymanís observation from my little perch here. Wink

Regards,

Tete
John



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
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Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject:

I think PBKs see events prophesised happening in the BK world. With the 'World' referring to the yagya.
I think the only date agreed upon is establishement of golden age by 2037 or after 100 years of confluence age, which started in 1937.

As howiemac pointed out BKs have had lots of 'destruction dates' along the way. The only being I think knows is Shiva and he's not letting on. There are two destructions one is subtle of yagya and the other is of the world at large.
It is prophesised that world destruction will not take place till all souls have recieved the message that God has arrived(which personally I don't see happening as soon as 2006).

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Does either group have a concept of letís make this place (planet) a better one?

That is the whole point of Shivas descent into the world.

Quote:
With all the decoding and secrecy I would be worried about who was working on the destruction. Just a laymanís observation from my little perch here.

Maybe you should ask the American government about that, they have the Nuclear bombs Wink
Tete



Joined: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 169

PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Destruction

John,

Quote:
Maybe you should ask the American government about that, they have the Nuclear bombs Wink


Well, John you bring forth a good point. That is the reason I was president of Beyond War Club in college bringing awareness to others about Nuclear weapons. Nuclear Arms can't hug anyone! Wink I later learned that the only positive/actual change is done through policy and so I went the political route.

I still organize a protest here and there. So, no I am not asleep over here across the pond and will continue my little efforts.

I belong to a number of Clubs, often write letters and participate on political blogs to get the point across. You will be glad to know we have a veggie councilman and several progressive folks in office. I will send via PM our greatest achievement to date. Our committee had $40,000 and they had $1.2 million and guess who won? Yes! So, little peaceful people can do good things. That said, John how about you across the pond there? Plant a tree, save a tree or how about a peaceful sit in/meditation? Wink

I am relieved to know that both XBKs and PBKs are not expecting impending doom, but if there are any updates do tell. Shocked I will continue making signs, protesting and relax a bit (take a chair to the next protest).

Thanks for the long post, Oh Spirit One. Wink

Tete
uddhava



Joined: 20 Jan 2005
Posts: 142
Location: Paramdham

PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:39 am    Post subject:

bansy wrote:

Uddhava, how did you get these murlis, did you have access to a centre's PC ?

No I only received them last year, they come down the line from I know not where. Laughing I have the daily class for 2003 and 2004 and the recent avyakts if anyone wants them. Does anyone have any different ones out there? Recently I heard something about hackers getting into the murli site but I don't know if this is true. Does God say anything in the murli about who is allowed to read them or is this something that the BKs have decided?
bkry



Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 113
Location: Malaysia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject:

In Malaysia, some BKs started altering the murlis that were being e-mailed to them. Having altered the murli, they were sending it to others. So the centers stopped sending out murlis through e-mail.
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