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bkry · Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Malaysia

In the early 1980s, long before I came to gyan, I was seeking the truth through psychic and hatha yoga meditation. However, I could not understand all those which I had experienced until I came into gyan. Similarly, I had a lot of dreams at that time related to what was going to happen to me after I came into gyan. However, I did not know that they related to this time and so I could not understand them either. For example, in one dream, I was surrounded by numerous elephants running around in a wild and confusing manner around me. There were a lot of people dressed in white but they were not looking at the elephants to understand as to why they were running around in that wild manner but I was looking at them and trying to understand why they were behaving in this manner. And I began to understand whereas all the others dressed in white did not understand. Before gyan I could never understand this dream. Elephants represent knowledge and that was as far I could understand of this dream, at that time. After coming into gyan and having seen people wearing white etc, I remembered this dream and I began to think that I understood the dream but I don't really think I understood it until just now.
Just now, as I was churning on the point "picking out the jewels of knowledge like how a swan does" I began to contemplate on what was actually meant by this. We do not pick out jewels of knowledge from the knowledge given in bhakti. We are supposed to be picking it out from the murlis. However, swans are supposed to be good at picking out the jewels from that which includes jewels and stones. Does this imply that the murlis includes jewels and stones. Off course, BKs would argue that we should be like swans where our thoughts are concerned, i.e we should be picking and using the thoughts that are based on gyan and not using those which are not based on gyan. However, it is my view that God meant that we should be able to pick the Jewels out of the murlis like swans. This means that there are things said in the murlis which we can ignore. But then, why would God give the murli in such a wild and confusing manner so much so that we have to pick the jewels out from there. Maybe it is because God plays the role of being our Father, Mother, Teacher, Guide, etc. Since He plays these roles, He has to make sure that we get test papers etc so that we can become powerful and pass our final examination well. God does also tell us in the sakar murlis that if we do not have enough test papers, then He will tell Maya to give us test papers. I used to smile with so much of amusement when I hear this being read from the sakar murlis. But now, it does not seem so funny anymore. Very Happy

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howiemac · Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Scotland

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wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Hi Howiemac,

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wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Hi ex-london

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bkry · Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Malaysia

There is such a thing as the magic of the murli. When we listen to the murli with the happiness and believe that it's God's words, then we will fly as soon as we hear the murli. This is based on a blessing from God. God has told us, in the murlis, that we are Parvathys listening to the murli in the subtle region. Parvathy is the wife of God. We experience being Parvati when we have faith that it is God's words (in the murli) and we experience spiritual love for God. However, there is a difference between accepting the whole murli as the words of God to picking out the jewels of knowledge to churn on. Churning means to comtemplate on the murli point. Contemplating on the murli point with faith enables us to establish a link to God. Then, we will be able to have experiences and understand knowledge to a greater extent. Picking out the jewels of knowledge to churn on is different from the "magic of the murli". "Magic of the murli" involves acceptance of the whole murli as God's words and we immediately fly when we hear it as God's words. However, when we churn, we have to pick the jewels of knowledge out from the murlis to churn on. Actually, one doesn't have to use the word "churn" when we refer to the process of "contemplating on the murli points". The reason why it is used is because there is a Hindu story where the deities were supposed to have churned the ocean and got beautiful things from that (including nectar). Thus, the word "churn" is used so as to get the benefits which we get from contemplating on the jewels of knowledge. One can use other words for churning if they wish to.
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satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100

Hi
For me murali has its own speciality. Its because from my experience the murali would bring some intoxication, if we hear that early morning. The points are repeated becasue human intellect needs that to remember always. And there is happiness in it, as it reminds our purpose and business. Surprisingly we get the spiritual point that we are seeking inside. Well if we take the murali as we took that when we were in beginning of BK world, then there is no complaint. Also being in shrimath would be easy that day, with intoxication.
However, there are lot of things maya gets you, surprisingly.
People leave BK, for not able to be in Shrimath. Some become far because they failed in being shrimath, though it is said in Murali we should start again. But main cause is purity and other reasons come later.
Well whole argument with XBK can end, when question in them comes that, "is it not ultimate goal for all religions is purity?".
I also wonder whether God important or purity important. Its no use for God to know him completely if we stick to bodily things. Also , is there any gurantee that we humans won't keep giving complaints or reasons even after acquiring all proofs that so and so is God?
We just solve our questions, but impurity lies around still. Laughing

My point is Bk world has lots of stuff for working to be soul conscious.
Wink

thanks
satish

ex-london · Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 131

satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100

Yes ex-london if we look at main point of BK, "purity" then all intelligence and science will burst out with laugh. May be one should have interest in bible, atleast, to accept purity is main thing in life.
Well coming to murali, there are many BKs who say that their favourite thing is Murali, as it guides their day. It repeats to remind us. And it is simple, which is always good. I agree that there is no much detail in it, giving all answers. All would be BKs in world, if we could find much detail and probably that will be a day when gates are open to Golden age. Laughing

Again my point is "Is purity not main thing in any religion that interest you?"
thnks
satish

John · Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK

I think the main point is God realisation and soul realisation and top get to that stage purity has been prescribed. But to be completely pure takes complete knowledge and to gain complete knowledge requires questions and answers.
We have questions.
We need answers.

satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100