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Common Sense · Guest

Dear friends,

I came across this chat by chance, as I was surfing the internet. For a long time I chose to be actively involved with the BKs. At present, not any more. During that time I met many wonderful people with whom we became lifelong friends; I also met cranky freaks, fundamentalists or simply people that I didn't want to hang around with. With those I kept my distances. The choice was mine, as it still is with the people I meet everyday.

I read many messages in this chat, mostly those sent by ex BKs. Their experiences are very interesting and to some I can relate. Yet, I cannot refrain from wondering: why don't you carry on with your lives? All these complaints and discussions about whether the murlis are being properly revised, whether Shiva is together with Brahma in Dadi's Gulzar body, or even whether Dadi Gulzar wears. a diaper (!!!!), are signs of persons who still react to the idea of undertaking the responsibility of the self and "need" to be saved by someone else.

It's like the complaints of a child because "mummy was not good enough". OK, so "mummy" did not act according to our expectations or maybe she was indeed "bad". But now, supposedly, we are grown-ups. So what do we do? Do we return and get stuck in childhood trying to "fix mummy" or do we carry on with our lives, enriched by the realizations and the lessons of the past? Seeking for the absolute truth that will make us "live happily ever after" may be OK for Cinderella, but she did not live in the real world after all.

PS. From this chat I also found out about the PBKs, lead by "a poor farmer's son" (I guess he doesn't have financial problems anymore), who says that he is the incarnation of Dada Lekhraj's business partner. Well, I guess even the movement of the Brahma Kumaris did not escape the law of entropy (all things move from a state of order to a state of disorder). Still, I was relieved by the thought that I met the BK movement at its pure state and that Dada Lekhraj's motives were genuine (he was a respected figure in the Sindh society and very rich anyway - he didn't need to become a guru to make a living).

John · Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK

Interesting choice of name 'common sense'.
I once worked for someone who used that term as a subtle put down. The only thing was her common sense was not the same as anybody elses who worked there.

For you to not understand why people want to discuss these matters is a sign to me of your narrowness of accepting all kinds of people. Just because you don't understand doesn't make it irrelevant.

You say you was in the yagya in the pure state, when was that?

You speak of PBK,but do you know how long PBK has been around?
I'll take a guess and say PBK was around before you became familiar with BK.

Yes i agree we have to take responsibility for ourselves, but also we need help.

zhukov · Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 86

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

John · Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK

Hi Wahl
You said

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Hi John,

I think I was really aiming my posting at all of the many other negative postings by some other BKs, and I just got carried away in support of 'common sense's' viewpoint. Looking back on your postings, I truly apologise for aiming it at you. Crying or Very sad

However, my posting does still stand.............you know who you are. Wink

om shanti
wahl

John · Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK

Ok apology accepted Very Happy

But please try and keep your eye on the ball Laughing

Joel · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 102

common sense · Guest

Thanks for your reply, Joel. I can see your points (I think). You are right, I generalized a lot in my post. Yet, what I had in mind when I wrote it, was something that a French psychologist, Francoise Dolto, used to say: that if a child's needs at a very young age have not been satisfied, there is no point in trying to satisfy them in the same way when the child is grown up (i.e. you don't give a 10-year old the bottles of milk you failed to give him as a baby; you rather give him the love and the attention a 10-year old needs). This idea worked for me (as a... limbo repellant!), that's why I thought to share it with "fellow-xBKs". I never thought it would upset anyone.

Joel · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 102

Sam · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 47

Hi,
I agree very strongly with much of what Joel says.
We XBKs really do need a place to share our stories with others who will understand, and it does take time and talking to get past a trauma. However, there are many XBKs who talk so much about BK dogma that I wonder if they are really as X as they think they are. If we are XBKs why do we need to talk about the nature of Shivbaba or if the 5000 year cycle is really true, or does the law of karma really exist? I do not exclude myself from this analysis. I have started some topics on these exact subjects. But why do we do this?
Sam.

bansy · Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84

Sam · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 47

Bansy wrote

common sense · Guest

Joel wrote:

Joel · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 102