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ghanshyam · Guest

i understand bk and pbk but not understand the xbk please clear it

bk means brahmakumar and brahmakumaris

and pbk means prajapita brahmakumar and prajapita brahmakumaris

Paul · Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 72

ghanshyam,

My understanding is that an XBK is someone who was a BK at one time, but no longer is. And even though the person has left the BKs, he or she has not gone on to become a PBK. In other words, in the classification used by this website, PBKs are not considered to be XBKs. The 'X' before 'BK' stands for 'Ex'. In other words, an Ex-Brahma Kumar or Kumari - a former member or follower of the BK movement. Of course, even among XBKs, there are differences of experience, outlook and opinion.

I hope this helps.

chlpa · Guest

To the Administrator:

Do you consider xbk one who does not believe in Baba anymore, or someone who disliked the behaviour of bk leaders?

Ok?

flipper · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 14 Location: england

personally its taken years to distangle, quietly within my mind I kept a thread that I hoped would one day bring me back, although my lifestyle was totally un-Brahmin, I would be living on the fringe !
Now I have more clarity, I had allowed myself to be brainwashed, used the BK web to support my weaknesses albeit on a subtle level, ie celibacy, because of poor body image. A pure diet because, I had a long-term eating disorder liked to control too much of what I ate. Being superior the chosen few, because I guess I was a snob and had an inferiority complex, able to distance myself quickly from "lokiks" because came from a disfunctional family & was a bit of a social misfit anyway. The lure of the Golden Age, surely life gets better on this planet.

On meeting Bapdada in Madubhan, I secretly felt this is not god,

for me it was a holy ghost, Dada Lekhraj, returning to meet all his obedient children. On returning to Slough my path changed, however I was still caught up in it for 15 years! Although not practicing, it was still inside my head. I still feel new in comming out!

I feel like confronting the "family" in Slough, I have yet to hand back my ring and still have a framed photo of Brahma Baba. I guess there may still be a lurking fear that Ive got it all wrong! And on entering the centre I'll feel home again!

This is a great forum and having recently discovered it feel its a valuable tool in my process in becoming, trully, an ex-bk.

uddhava · Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham

flipper · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 14 Location: england

Hi Uddhava
regarding your interest in experiences in madubhan, mine was very good.
I had worked hard all year and felt Id deserved to have a good time.
It was my first experience of India, although a short trip lasting 3 weeks
about ten days at Madubhan. I went with the mission to meet God.
What I did experience was incrediable,March 15th 1991, Dadi Gulzar finally went into trance which had seemed ages I was sat on the floor 15ft from the stage.
I experienced very powerfull dristi it appeared in a wave like form and I remember feeling so much love, jubilent, the atmosphere was amazing.There was lots of Bhakti gong on up on the stage, I thought then this is not God but I was not dissapointed.
I was wearing headphones but at the time was really going with the feeling and didnt take much in as to what was being spoken. I remember I was wearing a sari for the first time( a mistake) and had tripped up whilst trying to appear a holy swan ascending the steps at Om Shanti bhavan.
It was mega-fluffy! I enjoyed playing being a child in the Peace park.
There felt alot of naturel warmth between the family. I had a brief stay in a hospital bed by the courtyard,"Delhi Belly" and had a bit of mira, when a sister with a very thick and bent needle gave me an injection. I remember experiencing trying to put it into words, I had met an Angel, and recognized that this is whom Ive been having yoga with.
Happily I wrote a letter to myself signed from Bapdada it arrived a month after I had returned and was to appear a great yukti in rememberence of
my Angel, my stage and Madubhan.
I would like to read of others experience to from the XBKs.

satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100

Dear Flipper

It is very nice to hear your Madhuban experience.However I would like to know, if you can tell me that what actually you mean by this following line..

flipper · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 14 Location: england

Dear Satish
To answer your question what sort of bhakti?
well giving food, does Shiva eat? or is it Dadi Gulzar body benefiting from this? I can understand rewarding her body in this way, and maybe by offering food and flowers or whatever brothers and sisters desired to give
was their action bhakti? It was lovely expression of unity amongst the brahmin family, there was brahma baba surrounded by his children albiet numberwize . I did not feel disappointed. Brahma Baba {a holy ghost}enters Dadi Gulzar at convenient times this is all prearranged, Brahma Baba is a pure soul with a lot of love. I benefited from making a link with him, I felt that by meeting him at Madubhan this was as close as one could get to meeting Shiva, As whilst Brahma Baba comes down and enters Dadi Gulzar and engages with his family he is in remembrance and so connected with the supreme. It was a great show.

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

om shanti

Dear Flipper,

satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100

Dear Flipper

From your post I understood that you enjoyed the brahmin life for a short time. As far as I know people who were BKs would definitely enjoy the Bk world for a while. And later it depends on situation probably.
Other thing it looks that you dont look to believe on Shivababa. Similarly it looks you didn't believe him earlier while with BK. Was that so?
When you have so much respect on Brahmababa and believe him as holy pure soul, if he is really so, then can it be possible that his words about Shivbaba, supreme soul are untrue?

thanks
with love
satish