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ex-london · Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 131

can anyone just clarify when the End of the World was going to come and the current state of play?

Thanks.

Atma · Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 98

ex-london,

Welcome to the site! I have been thinking of starting this topic for some time now, so I am glad you did.

As anyone who has been here for awhile and read my posts would know, I have been an XBK for a long time and have been critical of the BKs. That said, it may surprise many to know that I too, like the BKs, believe that this world is heading towards destruction – although not because of or in accordance with the BK paradigm.

It’s simple. History shows that man has never made a weapon that he has not (eventually) used – in war. He made the spear, he used it. He made the sword, he used it. He made guns, he used them. He made tanks and planes, he used them. He made the atom bomb, he used it. Now he has full fledged nuclear weapons and ICBMs – intercontinental ballistic missiles. He has not used them – yet. It’s only a matter of time. My saying so, and many other believing this, is not dependent on the BK scheme at all. It’s just a reading of history, and projecting to the future. It’s not pessimistic, it’s realistic.

Fifty years ago or so, no less a personality than Albert Einstein said that radioactive poisoning of the atmosphere and hence destruction of all life on the planet has now been brought within the range of technical possibilities. And that was 50 years ago. The weaponry has steadily grown in lethalness and numbers. There is no question that there is enough to destroy life on earth many, many times over. There are weapons in silos, in subs, on mobile launchers, even in space. We have had a long global lull, since WW2 ended. Lulls eventually come to an end. The calm before the storm.

In this respect, we all live in the shadow of global death. In that sense, the BKs are on to something. True, there are many others who believe in the apocalypse or end of the world scenarios. To give the BKs credit though, their scheme is quite specific, in terms of outlining destruction through nuclear warfare involving, mainly, Russia and America – the famous ‘two cats’. There are murlis which reference destruction being brought about by Russia, America, China, Britain and France. Those five just happen to be the members of the official nuclear club and the permanent members of the UN’s Security Council. Not a bad prognostication I say.

I feel that, at some deeper level, many people have a sick, uneasy feeling about this impending doom. This may be a powerful reason why, in spite of everything, there is a continuing - even if critical - “attachment” to the BK scheme. It’s as if we are going ahead, experiencing that destruction, and then working back to the BK paradigm for meaning and comfort. I wouldn’t be too hard on those who do that. I do it myself.

Ever heard Paul Simon’s “American Tune”? Here are the lyrics:

Many's the time I've been mistaken
And many times confused
Yes, and often felt forsaken
And certainly misused
But I'm all right, I'm all right
I'm just weary to my bones
Still, you don't expect to be
Bright and bon vivant
So far away from home, so far away from home

And I don't know a soul who's not been battered
I don't have a friend who feels at ease
I don't know a dream that's not been shattered
or driven to its knees
But it's all right, it's all right
We've lived so well so long
Still, when I think of the road
we're traveling on
I wonder what went wrong
I can't help it, I wonder what went wrong

And I dreamed I was dying
And I dreamed that my soul rose unexpectedly
And looking back down at me
Smiled reassuringly
And I dreamed I was flying
And high up above my eyes could clearly see
The Statue of Liberty
Sailing away to sea
And I dreamed I was flying

We come on the ship they call the Mayflower
We come on the ship that sailed the moon
We come in the age's most uncertain hour
and sing an American tune
But it's all right, it's all right
You can't be forever blessed
Still, tomorrow's going to be another working day
And I'm trying to get some rest
That's all I'm trying to get some rest

satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100

omshanthi
This is one which is expected by many. Looking at the nuclear weapons in the hands of quite a few countries, I assume it is for sure that one would in definite use those weapons. Closely these all depended on hands of human mind. And human mind is unstable. Though all countries who possess say that they are not gonna use nuclear weapons first, but slowly weapons are spreading to many other countries. Countries, acquiring them to safegurd themself from any war if it comes. It is known fact that nuclear weapons were not used in recent US-IRAQ war because Iraq doesn't possess them one. Recent war would have been a nuclear war, if what UK-US expected to be true, that there are nuclear weapons in Iraq.

Anyways what I guess, there wont be any such war until weapons doesn't come into hands of terrorists. But who are terrorists? are they not human vices?

I would say this is right time for all, XBK/PBK/BK/other spiritual people need to get more spiritual power, controlling their vices, and strive for world peace and create positive auro around them. To do this one need to balance both intellect and mind. One cannot stop queries in intellect but one can stop peacelessness in mind. However it would be sad if one stop considering oneself to be spiritual, when he stop considering himself to be a BK.
thanks
with love
satish

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Dear Satish,

Guest · Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject: there unlimited worlds

end of which world do you mean?

bk world

pbk world

xbk world

islam world

hindu world

you name it

end of one world is begening of other world. why should we get fixated on end of the so called world. we should be libertated from this kind of thinking that is true liberation.

maple leaf

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Dear mapple leaf,

ex-london · Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 131

[quote="wahl"]Dear mapple leaf,

satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100

omshanthi
The destruction that was told to brahmins was crystal clear in murali, ie; Sangamyug Sau saal ka(confluence age is 100yrs).. and who ever read the muralis are aware of this thing. Well the only controversy was when it was said that destruction would be in 1976, but not happened. But later it was told in murali that it was to elevate the BKs faster. And I think there was progress and spread in BK world after 1976. And it was never told in muralis again that destruction would be in 1986 to 1997 or some other year.
Here it is again how we take it, whether we take it to grow ourself spiritually or some other way.
thanks
with love
satish

satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100

Omshanthi
ex-london

One more thing confluence age starts from 1936/37. So destruction would be by 2037 Cool

.Hmmm you have got many attacking thoughts on BKs, rather than having clear knowledge. If possible ask some XBKs who have good knowledge of Muralis you can get accurate reply of what actually muralis were written though they have doubtful intentions on BK world.

Atlast what I believe is experiences put with honest heart would let all of us learn something.

Smile

thanks
with love
satish

Guest · Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:13 pm Post subject:

Om shanti Bhai ex london.

Welcome to the board.

I don't believe all BKs are like this and think like this.

There are many nice and good ones.

Bhai, transformation is taking place and will take place.

Many souls feel and know this.

Look around you.

Some will have difficulties with this because they do not understand they are souls and re-incarnation.

Take care,

ex-london · Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 131

satish · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100

Dear brother

There are always PBKS available who get the right muralis and I haven’t seen anyone telling the wrong about the muralis what PBKs collected or have. So there is always option available to verify the muralis from PBK brothers. And when I said that was not said in Muralis, I don’t imply to the information from some centers and sisters. As far as I know I never seen in BK muralis that shivBaba talking much on date of destruction except in two situations one was 1976, and other was 100 yrs confluence age. And confluence age was always said that it is going to start from 1936/37 since I started in BK world. If you want you can verify from PBK brothers about this as they are one who diverted from BK world since 1976 and they acquired all muralis since then.

My summary in above posts about clear knowledge was based on Muralis and nothing else. And here I am not under estimating your knowledge from centers but I am saying your knowledge is not up to mark about point of destruction from muralis. And definitely this also doesn’t mean I have accurate knowledge of muralis. It is only on point of destruction, the knowledge which I am aware of from muralis was what I said in above post.

Yes brother you are right when you say that in some centers sisters would tell their own intentions. They take right to say that there can be possibility of destruction on so and so date without actually referring to murali. I was surprised when I heard one centre saying destruction would be in 1999. And as far as I know these words are just coming from few centers and probably some sisters. This is I would see as out of some type of madness (I don’t know exact word here from my language) like unreal analysis, which goes along in some when they hear the knowledge. Probably all would undergo this but some go along with this. . Also I would accept to your few points that some minor things are not followed as said in muralis.

However brother what I am saying is we don’t have to get influenced to the atmosphere and words of others when Muralis are saying about knowledge. To me, I take only from muralis. However if you don’t believe BK muralis as you were saying they are always edited and changed, you can always look into the muralis which were collected by PBKS and considered as real one by many.

That’s all what I want to say to you. From you words I guess you are far
more senior than me as BK. However brother according to me I first love spirituality and shivaBaba, next the knowledge said by shivaBaba.
Thanks
With love
Satish

khormoz · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 8 Location: Brampton, Canada

Can anyone provide the dates of any of the murlis where it was stated that destruction would take place in 1976? Also, the dates of any murlis where it was stated that the erroneous date was given to increase effort-making.

I'm assuming that the latter ones are avyakt murlis because there would have been no need to explain the non-occurrence of destruction before January 1, 1977. However, can anyone recall if the 1976 date was used in sakar murlis as well as avyakt ones?

Regards, khormoz

Paul · Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 72

khormoz,

Welcome to the forum. I don't have the murli info you requested. Perhaps another member will supply that. However, let me mention something that is not unrelated to the whole "destruction" scenario - and much more recent than 1976. I note that you hail from Brampton, Canada, so what I tell you now should strike a home chord. You are no doubt aware of the main R Y Center in Toronto. Well, I have this on very good authority - from someone who was actually there.

It was November or December of 1998. The sister in charge had just returned from Mount Abu. Naturally, she had that extra "lift" given by the great pilgrimage place. She related this to the gathering: among the activities she experienced in Abu, there was a special program for those sisters who had completed 20 years of BK service. She was one such person. It was a grand affair. The sisters were royally feted by the Abu top brass. They were congratulated and felicitated. There were special meals. And of course special rings. Each of the 20-years-service sisters was given several gifts, some quite costly.

At some point in the proceedings, BK Prakasmani (aka Dadi Kumarka) gave the sisters some special "insight". The sisters gathered around her in hushed silence. They hung on her every word. Now, keep in mind that Kumarka is not just any BK. She is THE administrative head of the organization. Numero uno. The head honcho. She told the sisters that they should keep three things handy in their respective centers, at all times.

(1) A packed bag (of clothing etc)

(2) Passport

(3) Money (cash)

Reason? The Toronto sister in charge said that BK Prakashmani paused for a moment and then, while appearing to be deeply connected to Bapdada, said that "within two or three years the situation will be very serious around the world". Hence the need to have items (1), (2) and (3) handy. As I said, this happened and was related in 1998. Two to three years from that would mean 2000 or 2001 at the latest.

Before you, or anyone else, jump to mention the events of Sept 11, 2001, let me say immediately that does not cut it. Serious as 911 was, it did not / does not match or justify the statement "the situation will be very serious around the world". And it did not trigger or necessitate BK sisters (note: the gaddiites, not the "floor"ites Laughing

) having to flee in a hurry. So I gues that items (1), (2) and (3) were not needed after all. Also not needed was the advice (again from the top) given to followers, towards the end of 1999, to stock up on food and emergency supplies, because of the impending disaster of the Y2K software bug. You are an IT person, so that might ring a bell too.

Food for thought? Did someone say "Wolf" ?

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Footnote: it is not my style, or in the spirit of this board, to name names. However, you should be able to easily get corroboration for what I narrated above - but perhaps that may not be necessary, as you may have personal knowledge of it yourself

uddhava · Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham