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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:44 am    Post subject: dharamraj

What do you all think about dharamraj now that you are xBK? I read the topic in pBK forum and was presented with religion of fear, all from Murli points. I cant believe that i listened to that for so long, it is a form of abuse i think.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: dharamraj

bhagirath wrote:
What do you all think about dharamraj now that you are xBK? I read the topic in pBK forum and was presented with religion of fear, all from Murli points. I cant believe that i listened to that for so long, it is a form of abuse i think.

I don't think about it much, but I do think that by being afraid you aren't doing enough in your life, or being afraid that aren't doing enough right (if you like that particular whip), the being afraid part is more destructive in many cases to the person than the puted wrong may actually be.

Remember the Murli point that sexual arousal and orgasm are as bad as killing people. It just rings so hollow now--to anyone who has seen healthy touching and sensual feelings expressed lovingly, but of course there can be any kind of obsessive or addictive behavior, whatever of life's pleasure systems are involved. Dadi Gulzar one gave a message where she talked about going past rooms with scenes of different vices. The one related to sex (red things, black things, things I never saw in my life nor could imagine a use for ) a nice, saucy representation of the Fredick's of Hollywood type of skimpy glamouramae.

In describing the juicy sauciness of a things there is a kind of acceptance. I think that Brahama Baba probably accepted everyone more fully than those who criticize 'sin' in the BK family today.

Fear of wrongdoing and guilt for breaking BK principles (or other social expectations) can be more damaging to the person, trapping them in a limited self view that is more damaging than the bad consequences (if any) of the act itself. Even if fear or guilt were justified, those responses don't actually alleviate the trait or habit in question. And mere practice of restraint to avoid various 'sins' provides no guarantee of a creative responses to challenges that bring strength and confidence. Despite what my superficial faith and imploring/invoking of God's help may target, some parts of my character are not meant to be hacked away. And it was arrogant to be trying to lop those parts of myself away. Was wrong and hurtful to myself.

The 'purity' related disciplines of brahmins hardly helped on this most central issue of self-assertion and expression in the world. God does not need a phony representative and I certainly need a real one.

For healing deep feelings of inadequacy, it has been the steady regard of my friends (their ongoing open-eyed loving approval/acceptance) that has given me the power to appreciate my own value in and above whatever sub-optimal character traits may remain. It has helped establish my value as greatly exceeding the worst failings for which I might blame myself or could imagine I might be punished by some strictly judging 3rd party. Love/support by non BK friends who accept me as soul mates heals me more deeply than whose who primarily accept me in the context of religious or tribal bonding rituals. (Although those were great at the time, too.) Acceptance seems more totally genuine that arises where there is no pressure to accept.

I am pleased to have several friends from BK years and mourn the loss of some friendships that didn't survive my departure from BK knowledge and practices.

In other karma-related discussion, the idea of using up your good fortune doesn't ring at all for me, or for the creative loving people I see around me. Maureen could give me examples, I'm sure, but looking for examples of knowledge being true is also no longer part of my mental routine.

Although I do agree we are burning up the planet's ecosystem in aggregate. This is much more a concern to me than a putative dharam raj.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:07 am    Post subject: Dharam Raj

Great post. Laughing
Excellent question Bhagirat! Laughing
As souls, it would be instructive for us to speak to those who have had near death experiences or out of body experiences. In most of those accounts, NDE and OBE persons have reported 'seeing' a Light which radiated unlimited love.
I feel that we are our own dharam rajs and the court of dharam raj is here in our lives each day as we settle karmic accounts. Laughing
I'll say more later.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject:

I think that if God is fare and has any sense of justice, he cannot punish anyone for being true to themselves and honest with themselves, and that is following their own hearts, the deepest truth on their hearts. We are not dogs or stupid animals that learn by pain, we learn with love and truth and sincerity - those of us that got into that BK stuff were lookink for the truth.. How can you be truthful when all you are being is a bunch of stuff you are told to think, to feel and to become from the outside and deny what is really going on inside you, deny all of those thoughts that make you think that if this is truth then how can that be that way, just because it goes against it.. How can you be truthful if you are afraid to defy God to show you the truth.. Can God punish you for wanting the truth, or will you buy any truth you are sold .. and if you have to buy it with fear, or greed... Is this God????Then the Devil seems much swetter. God would give you the truth for free and let you be free to be who you really are.. This god is some sort of wackopat and very incompetent to feel the need to use fear to make his children do whatever, that is the stone age, men.. not golden at all. I personaly think God to be more intelligent than that. Come along Dharamraj I'm not afraid of you at all cause I'm not afraid to defy God to show me the truth, cause what i did I did from the deepest truth I can be, if I'm punish for that then this god is really sick .

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:41 pm    Post subject:

DevÄtmä, you are not allowed to post in this section as you are not an xBK.
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