OK, lets give this baby its own thread. Lower numbers need not apply.
Is the drama and nature the same thing? Is the Soul World part of the drama? Are souls number wise in the Soul World? (according to drama, or effort) If a soul is anti-numberwise, does that make them communist?
Are pro numberwise souls capitalist? (both are isms/ twigs and leaves of The Tree of world history, which catch light and sustain The Tree, or set it on fire).
Spirituality gave birth to religion gave birth to politics. They all have purpose and practical meaning, within the drama. Spirituality is the only one of the 3 which can bring the souls of the world together as one. All in the universe is connected, even if everything and everyone seems fragmented. Some may think that communism was created in order to fail spectacularly, brainwashing the souls in Ravans kingdom of illusion that communism does not work. I don't buy the experiment idea. Capitalism cannot sustain itself and needs to prey on others to survive, which does not make for a practical or harmonious world, but is in total harmony within Ravans kingdom of illusion.
Does anyone out there think that God will favour the capitalist minded souls? Or communist for that matter? Does anyone out there take the "all are number-wise" statement to mean that the world is naturally predatory and capitalist (or communist)?
In the "Golden Age" (I cant speak for the Silver Age onwards) both of these social aspects will be in their complete form as part of the one-ness in Shivalaya, the land of Shiva, the future in terms of time, yet the Murli does not use the term: THEN, it uses the term: THERE, suggesting a place (or dimension?) and not a time in history, yet, it is our past. A very thin wall may now separate these two times which stand side by side, or front to back(words don't suffice), the end and the beginning, colliding slowly, merging like rivers.
In these times, many souls do not want to be branded with a number like some farm animal, they seek freedom, from their own weaknesses and past actions/ experiences, not to mention institutions of all kinds. So what does this number wise thing mean? Why would spiritual teachings put this notion out in the first place in a drama where all our lives are recorded within us pre drama. Am I a re- writable CD or pre recorded permanent type?
How does it look when I compare my own awareness of drama to God's?We could sit down, and ask our self, 'what do I want from the BKs or spirituality in general? It is a good question. The answer may not come as easily as we may think, if at all. The healthiest Brahmin will no doubt be the one who wants nothing from the BKs, and have pure desires spiritualy, number wise of course. Then we can have a clear heart. Don't compare the self to others. Don't let others define who you are or what you should be doing. Spirituality is about learning how to think(Third Eye) and not what to think(the dictates of others). I exclude teachers from beyond for argument sake.
What do I want from God? Power? Over what, or who? The self? Ones own unruly mind? To what degree do I want material gain from God and kingdoms etc.? There is nothing wrong with ruling a kingdom if you have the wherewithal to do so. Those who are closest to or, have modelled themselves on God may rule kingdoms. It may be worth noting that Shiva wants nothing, other than re newal to bring benefit to ALL souls. All. The most famous character of all time may also be the biggest revolutionary of all time. The revolution takes place within the self.
The template is there, take it or leave it. The BKs or any individual within the BKs is not the template, nor will it be found in Ravans kingdom of illusion. All you will get there is sugar coated lies which is bad for the spiritual teeth and body (like toli). But the world is amazing, so it is subjective, at any given moment within the individual even. For some it is old while others are fascinated by their hand as they hold it in front of their face, like baby's do, because they are short sighted and may not have been here so long. God considers these souls and loves them equally along with the "real" children .
I doubt there are any/ many new souls living in poverty or unhappiness. It is not black and white of course, but generally, the rich and powerful at this time are newer souls. If we want to play the number wise game out of political tendency, perhaps it is worth considering who influences me. My lokik parents even? TV? (put it in the bin) So we are being asked, all of us, the whole world, to model ourselves on the most compassionate being in the universe, who says that we souls are greater. Something which we no doubt deny, or may not understand, yet. An authority who is completely independent from the powers at be in this world, with their own agenda. To what degree is their agenda linked to Shiva's agenda? We don't really want to mess too much with God's agenda. Go and pick on someone your own size. (I am also confused by that one) .
Shiva may well be just another role which a soul plays in the drama as in- 'I am also in bondage to the drama'. Without being too literal, who is the soul who plays the role of Shiva? Sorry if that hurts, you will find that you will be a more mature soul for it though as the Bhakti view of God is vaporised or transformed. Shiva, a master role player able to serve all souls, chameleon like, yet remains aware that it is a drama, unlike us. The master psychologist who wants us to go higher than themself, because we can. We are THE master role players, if we give ourselves the chance, by befriending the self. Do not see yourself as others do, ever. If we hardly know our SELF(?) how can they, unless they know them self. If Shiva was to fall into weakness, who would liberate/ purify Shiva let alone the rest? Open mind.
The BK service ladder does not reach the roof, so there is still the need to sprout those wings and fly at some point or other, if we want to be a high number that is. Better now while in a body than later perhaps. The problem here is that, the more elevated the experience, the more all this no wise stuff disipates and all souls appear equal. So there is The Knowledge, and there is the experience. Does anyone recall anything said along the lines that, all souls are equal except on the field of service? Service is a ladder, not wings. Knowledge and pure relationship(Yoga) are the wings. With one wing, we can fly round in circles very well. We cannot have Yoga without knowledge.
Just how difficult and complex can it be to simply LET GO? It is the answer. LET GO. We don't even have to create a new self, we are already it and there, eternally, we just need to simply LET GO and BE IT.
Are we really number wise in the Soul World
Is the drama and nature the same thing? Is the Soul World part of the drama? Are souls number wise in the Soul World? (according to drama, or effort) If a soul is anti-numberwise, does that make them communist?
Are pro numberwise souls capitalist? (both are isms/ twigs and leaves of The Tree of world history, which catch light and sustain The Tree, or set it on fire).
Spirituality gave birth to religion gave birth to politics. They all have purpose and practical meaning, within the drama. Spirituality is the only one of the 3 which can bring the souls of the world together as one. All in the universe is connected, even if everything and everyone seems fragmented. Some may think that communism was created in order to fail spectacularly, brainwashing the souls in Ravans kingdom of illusion that communism does not work. I don't buy the experiment idea. Capitalism cannot sustain itself and needs to prey on others to survive, which does not make for a practical or harmonious world, but is in total harmony within Ravans kingdom of illusion.
Does anyone out there think that God will favour the capitalist minded souls? Or communist for that matter? Does anyone out there take the "all are number-wise" statement to mean that the world is naturally predatory and capitalist (or communist)?
In the "Golden Age" (I cant speak for the Silver Age onwards) both of these social aspects will be in their complete form as part of the one-ness in Shivalaya, the land of Shiva, the future in terms of time, yet the Murli does not use the term: THEN, it uses the term: THERE, suggesting a place (or dimension?) and not a time in history, yet, it is our past. A very thin wall may now separate these two times which stand side by side, or front to back(words don't suffice), the end and the beginning, colliding slowly, merging like rivers.
In these times, many souls do not want to be branded with a number like some farm animal, they seek freedom, from their own weaknesses and past actions/ experiences, not to mention institutions of all kinds. So what does this number wise thing mean? Why would spiritual teachings put this notion out in the first place in a drama where all our lives are recorded within us pre drama. Am I a re- writable CD or pre recorded permanent type?
How does it look when I compare my own awareness of drama to God's?We could sit down, and ask our self, 'what do I want from the BKs or spirituality in general? It is a good question. The answer may not come as easily as we may think, if at all. The healthiest Brahmin will no doubt be the one who wants nothing from the BKs, and have pure desires spiritualy, number wise of course. Then we can have a clear heart. Don't compare the self to others. Don't let others define who you are or what you should be doing. Spirituality is about learning how to think(Third Eye) and not what to think(the dictates of others). I exclude teachers from beyond for argument sake.
What do I want from God? Power? Over what, or who? The self? Ones own unruly mind? To what degree do I want material gain from God and kingdoms etc.? There is nothing wrong with ruling a kingdom if you have the wherewithal to do so. Those who are closest to or, have modelled themselves on God may rule kingdoms. It may be worth noting that Shiva wants nothing, other than re newal to bring benefit to ALL souls. All. The most famous character of all time may also be the biggest revolutionary of all time. The revolution takes place within the self.
The template is there, take it or leave it. The BKs or any individual within the BKs is not the template, nor will it be found in Ravans kingdom of illusion. All you will get there is sugar coated lies which is bad for the spiritual teeth and body (like toli). But the world is amazing, so it is subjective, at any given moment within the individual even. For some it is old while others are fascinated by their hand as they hold it in front of their face, like baby's do, because they are short sighted and may not have been here so long. God considers these souls and loves them equally along with the "real" children .
I doubt there are any/ many new souls living in poverty or unhappiness. It is not black and white of course, but generally, the rich and powerful at this time are newer souls. If we want to play the number wise game out of political tendency, perhaps it is worth considering who influences me. My lokik parents even? TV? (put it in the bin) So we are being asked, all of us, the whole world, to model ourselves on the most compassionate being in the universe, who says that we souls are greater. Something which we no doubt deny, or may not understand, yet. An authority who is completely independent from the powers at be in this world, with their own agenda. To what degree is their agenda linked to Shiva's agenda? We don't really want to mess too much with God's agenda. Go and pick on someone your own size. (I am also confused by that one) .
Shiva may well be just another role which a soul plays in the drama as in- 'I am also in bondage to the drama'. Without being too literal, who is the soul who plays the role of Shiva? Sorry if that hurts, you will find that you will be a more mature soul for it though as the Bhakti view of God is vaporised or transformed. Shiva, a master role player able to serve all souls, chameleon like, yet remains aware that it is a drama, unlike us. The master psychologist who wants us to go higher than themself, because we can. We are THE master role players, if we give ourselves the chance, by befriending the self. Do not see yourself as others do, ever. If we hardly know our SELF(?) how can they, unless they know them self. If Shiva was to fall into weakness, who would liberate/ purify Shiva let alone the rest? Open mind.
The BK service ladder does not reach the roof, so there is still the need to sprout those wings and fly at some point or other, if we want to be a high number that is. Better now while in a body than later perhaps. The problem here is that, the more elevated the experience, the more all this no wise stuff disipates and all souls appear equal. So there is The Knowledge, and there is the experience. Does anyone recall anything said along the lines that, all souls are equal except on the field of service? Service is a ladder, not wings. Knowledge and pure relationship(Yoga) are the wings. With one wing, we can fly round in circles very well. We cannot have Yoga without knowledge.
Just how difficult and complex can it be to simply LET GO? It is the answer. LET GO. We don't even have to create a new self, we are already it and there, eternally, we just need to simply LET GO and BE IT.
Are we really number wise in the Soul World