Disc.CD No.413, dated 06.10.07 at Haripur
Time: 8.33
Someone asked: Baba, people talk about purity. Purity is the decoration of a woman. And Baba it has been said in the Murli that the more someone is pure, the more worshipworthy he is. So, please explain about this purity in detail. I mean to say – for example, purity in words, purity in thoughts, (purity) in inculcations, everything. (Please explain) its meaning in depth.
Baba said: Will there be a difference or not between the sanskars of a soul, who has had pure sanskars of being with one for 84 births, who did not accept any other man or woman, who had maintained closeness, contact, relationship in the form of a husband or a wife with only one soul and the sanskars and thoughts of a soul which has had relationships with hundreds of souls in the many births?
Someone said: There will be (a difference).
Baba said: There will be a difference in the words as well as the vibrations. A soul will remain happy for as many births as it remains pure in the Confluence Age, one ShivBaba and none else. And the more one has a connection of the intellect, connection of words, connection of bodily organs with more number of souls, the more it will experience a brothel, i.e. sorrows. So, there is no need to go in detail at all. What is the essence that we should understand? Ekai saadhey sab sadhai (by pursuing ‘one’, we can achieve everything) If we take the support of many, then they will certainly make us fall very down. If we take the support of ‘one’, then He will enable us to rise .
Time: 40.55
Someone asked: Baba, what is super sensuous joy (ateendriy sukhh)?
Baba replied: Super sensuous joy is that joy where there is no need of the pleasures of the bodily organs at all. Happiness beyond the bodily organs. The happiness that we are experiencing now is through the bodily organs. We experience happiness when we establish relationship, contact of the bodily organs (with others). If someone goes to the jungle (forest), then one does not experience the pleasures of the bodily organs; but then what will happen? They will not care for the pleasure of the bodily organs. They will enjoy the happiness that is beyond the (reach of the) bodily organs. For that, the mind should be in a perfect stage and it should be unadulterated (avyabhichaari). One ShivBaba and none else.
Time: 42.11
Someone asked: What is the clarification about Draupadi having five husbands?
Baba replied: Are the present Brahmakumaris transferred or not? They are. They (i.e. the students) go to meet the Dadi. Provide us a Brahmakumari; we will open a center. Dadi provides a Brahmakumari. The Brahmakumari goes and runs the center. Her protector protects her. Then she goes from one center to another center. If she is a true Brahmakumari, then will she be afraid of transfers or will she not be afraid of transfers? She will not be afraid of it. So, the true Brahmakumaris are being transferred. They leave one center and go to another center. So, will there be a special protector (vishesh rakshak) for her there or not? Certainly there is a protector, and a protector is called husband. If she changes four to five such centers, then how many husbands (i.e. protectors) will she have? She will have five husbands (i.e. protectors). But it is not so that she established a relationship of the bodily organs with the five of them.
These are the versions of those who act in an opposite manner by picking up the versions from the scriptures. Our foundation itself is of purity. Those, whose intention is wrong, pick up this sentence. Baba has said that all of you are Draupadis. Draupadi has five husbands, doesn’t she ? Therefore we too will make five husbands.
Someone said: Baba, for the Brahmakumaris, Baba alone is their husband.
Baba asked: Is Baba their only husband? Who is called Baba?
Someone said: The combination of corporeal and incorporeal.
Baba asked: Where is their corporeal?
Someone said: The corporeal is the one whose body’s support has been taken (by Him).
Baba said: Whose body’s support has been taken?
Someone said: The one who is called the soul of Ram now.
Baba said: Arey! So, do the Brahmakumaris know who the soul of Ram is?
Someone said: No. They do not know him. They know the Supreme Soul.
Baba asked: Will the Supreme Soul be called Baba?
Someone said: No. He is called the Father.
Baba said: So, He is called the Father. (But) whereis He Baba?
Someone said: He protects them; so, by changing the center how others....
Baba asked: Does ShivBaba protect? Where is ShivBaba to protect (them)?
Someone said: No. Whoever protects (them).
Baba asked: In the basic knowledge, where is the ShivBaba of the Brahmakumaris ?
Someone said: So, Brahma Baba protects them.
Baba said: Where is Brahma Baba in a corporeal form? There is no Baba at all.
Someone said: Even then someone protects them, doesn’t he?
Baba asked: So, whoever protects, if the connection of the organs is established with him, then is it wrong or correct?
Someone said: No. Baba, that is wrong.
Baba said: So, it is wrong because Baba has said in the Murli, “One ShivBaba and none else.” If a wife has to establish connection of the bodily organs, then with whom should she establish? With one husband alone. And are these eyes organs or not? Can we call the eyes organs or not? They are organs. And the eyes are the most deceitful ones. So, should the eyes, which are the most deceitful ones, be taken care of more than anything else or should she exchange glances with various kinds of men? It has not been said in any Murli. It is the bodily beings who have started this tradition that if you act like this (i.e. give drishti) then it will be called Rajyog. But this is not Rajyog. Except one no one else can teach Rajyog.
No human soul has the power, that he continues to have connection and contact with the most deceitful organs (i.e. the eyes) and (yet) he is not coloured by its company. It is Shiv alone, who reforms the entire world through vision. He is the true husband (pati), the husband of husbands. Therefore all others will take you into a pit (i.e. cause your downfall). Nobody is a husband (protector). Yes, it depends on the Brahmakumari. If someone is a true Brahmakumari, she may be sent anywhere. She may be sent to a country of dwarfs like Africa, even then she will not become vicious. There are all kinds of leaves; there are 500-700 crore leaves. It is a variety tree. In that, such souls will also emerge which maintain (faithful) relationship with one for many births.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
Time: 8.33
Someone asked: Baba, people talk about purity. Purity is the decoration of a woman. And Baba it has been said in the Murli that the more someone is pure, the more worshipworthy he is. So, please explain about this purity in detail. I mean to say – for example, purity in words, purity in thoughts, (purity) in inculcations, everything. (Please explain) its meaning in depth.
Baba said: Will there be a difference or not between the sanskars of a soul, who has had pure sanskars of being with one for 84 births, who did not accept any other man or woman, who had maintained closeness, contact, relationship in the form of a husband or a wife with only one soul and the sanskars and thoughts of a soul which has had relationships with hundreds of souls in the many births?
Someone said: There will be (a difference).
Baba said: There will be a difference in the words as well as the vibrations. A soul will remain happy for as many births as it remains pure in the Confluence Age, one ShivBaba and none else. And the more one has a connection of the intellect, connection of words, connection of bodily organs with more number of souls, the more it will experience a brothel, i.e. sorrows. So, there is no need to go in detail at all. What is the essence that we should understand? Ekai saadhey sab sadhai (by pursuing ‘one’, we can achieve everything) If we take the support of many, then they will certainly make us fall very down. If we take the support of ‘one’, then He will enable us to rise .
Time: 40.55
Someone asked: Baba, what is super sensuous joy (ateendriy sukhh)?
Baba replied: Super sensuous joy is that joy where there is no need of the pleasures of the bodily organs at all. Happiness beyond the bodily organs. The happiness that we are experiencing now is through the bodily organs. We experience happiness when we establish relationship, contact of the bodily organs (with others). If someone goes to the jungle (forest), then one does not experience the pleasures of the bodily organs; but then what will happen? They will not care for the pleasure of the bodily organs. They will enjoy the happiness that is beyond the (reach of the) bodily organs. For that, the mind should be in a perfect stage and it should be unadulterated (avyabhichaari). One ShivBaba and none else.
Time: 42.11
Someone asked: What is the clarification about Draupadi having five husbands?
Baba replied: Are the present Brahmakumaris transferred or not? They are. They (i.e. the students) go to meet the Dadi. Provide us a Brahmakumari; we will open a center. Dadi provides a Brahmakumari. The Brahmakumari goes and runs the center. Her protector protects her. Then she goes from one center to another center. If she is a true Brahmakumari, then will she be afraid of transfers or will she not be afraid of transfers? She will not be afraid of it. So, the true Brahmakumaris are being transferred. They leave one center and go to another center. So, will there be a special protector (vishesh rakshak) for her there or not? Certainly there is a protector, and a protector is called husband. If she changes four to five such centers, then how many husbands (i.e. protectors) will she have? She will have five husbands (i.e. protectors). But it is not so that she established a relationship of the bodily organs with the five of them.
These are the versions of those who act in an opposite manner by picking up the versions from the scriptures. Our foundation itself is of purity. Those, whose intention is wrong, pick up this sentence. Baba has said that all of you are Draupadis. Draupadi has five husbands, doesn’t she ? Therefore we too will make five husbands.
Someone said: Baba, for the Brahmakumaris, Baba alone is their husband.
Baba asked: Is Baba their only husband? Who is called Baba?
Someone said: The combination of corporeal and incorporeal.
Baba asked: Where is their corporeal?
Someone said: The corporeal is the one whose body’s support has been taken (by Him).
Baba said: Whose body’s support has been taken?
Someone said: The one who is called the soul of Ram now.
Baba said: Arey! So, do the Brahmakumaris know who the soul of Ram is?
Someone said: No. They do not know him. They know the Supreme Soul.
Baba asked: Will the Supreme Soul be called Baba?
Someone said: No. He is called the Father.
Baba said: So, He is called the Father. (But) whereis He Baba?
Someone said: He protects them; so, by changing the center how others....
Baba asked: Does ShivBaba protect? Where is ShivBaba to protect (them)?
Someone said: No. Whoever protects (them).
Baba asked: In the basic knowledge, where is the ShivBaba of the Brahmakumaris ?
Someone said: So, Brahma Baba protects them.
Baba said: Where is Brahma Baba in a corporeal form? There is no Baba at all.
Someone said: Even then someone protects them, doesn’t he?
Baba asked: So, whoever protects, if the connection of the organs is established with him, then is it wrong or correct?
Someone said: No. Baba, that is wrong.
Baba said: So, it is wrong because Baba has said in the Murli, “One ShivBaba and none else.” If a wife has to establish connection of the bodily organs, then with whom should she establish? With one husband alone. And are these eyes organs or not? Can we call the eyes organs or not? They are organs. And the eyes are the most deceitful ones. So, should the eyes, which are the most deceitful ones, be taken care of more than anything else or should she exchange glances with various kinds of men? It has not been said in any Murli. It is the bodily beings who have started this tradition that if you act like this (i.e. give drishti) then it will be called Rajyog. But this is not Rajyog. Except one no one else can teach Rajyog.
No human soul has the power, that he continues to have connection and contact with the most deceitful organs (i.e. the eyes) and (yet) he is not coloured by its company. It is Shiv alone, who reforms the entire world through vision. He is the true husband (pati), the husband of husbands. Therefore all others will take you into a pit (i.e. cause your downfall). Nobody is a husband (protector). Yes, it depends on the Brahmakumari. If someone is a true Brahmakumari, she may be sent anywhere. She may be sent to a country of dwarfs like Africa, even then she will not become vicious. There are all kinds of leaves; there are 500-700 crore leaves. It is a variety tree. In that, such souls will also emerge which maintain (faithful) relationship with one for many births.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.