jim freidman wrote:Contrary to the writer of the original post I actually did my research and all the things I have written are facts. What a pathetic conglomeration of have truths, assumptions and out and out lies. What on earth is this forum for?
This is going to be a long and visual one and I can only afford the time to scrape the surface on it. Look for the hidden links that take you to original references and judge for yourself. I think you mean half-truths but nice
Freudian Slip. Yes, I "have truths" for you.
I willl answer your unfounded and mistaken accusations one at a time.
*To reply to the accusation of “promoting“ Brahmakumari-ism, there are no “Brahmin” words or phrases in the film.
Indeed, perhaps no Brahmin words are used. (We won't know until we see it but 'the traveler' is a trigger word to BKs often used by Baba, on Murlis and in a Murli songs according to my memory). Largely, this is part of the issue we are raising. In many people's opinion, its covert BK service aimed at a more exclusive audience in the West than, say, "peace marches" and "spiritual museums".
Thank you for coming back candidly, do you wish to square the final corners and address the financing and the involvement of HIM Studios and Gyan Sarovar? Again, you do not disclose your connection with or awareness of BK-isms and so these may seem like fairly obscure points of principles.
The way these things work is that BK centers around the world put on showings in order to attract IP audiences, often not advertising it as specifically Brahmin, as with Chasing God. They give subtle hints at The Knowledge (TM) and have BK meditations and vibration filled toli at the end. Generally, they involved the cooperation of some non-BKs to give it a veneer of independence (though obvious not too many or too much influence in its direction as Baba is not quite working through them and then tend to be impure ... and to bring them closer to the family as well.
BKWSU wrote:Service News from UK ... Around 30 people, including ... IP contacts, attended a private screening of Baba’s new film Tao of the Traveller in the [BKWSU London Center] on Wednesday 16th April ... Funds received from the sale of the DVD will remain with the Yagya.
The film beautifully and simply introduces: Soul, God, the Home, Karma, The Cycle, The 8 Powers and sharing [the] Knowledge (Gyan).
If you are not a BK, you might not be aware, that is about 6 and a half days of the famous and original BK 7 Days course.
If it is not promoting Brahmakumari-ism, why the involvement of the BKWSU, why is the BKWSU so thrilled and why is it aiming to profit the BKWSU from selling DVDs at $20? In the real world, that would be called PR and a fund raising "promotion" ... unless, of course, it turns out to be a mutual business venture. Would "Brother Robin" and "Brother Prashant" (HIM Studios, Gyan Sarovar) share what they said had "inspired the making of the film" here too? Or do we just wait until a BK comes forward and reports on the meeting?
* Tamasin’s credit are many and not limited to the ones that sound like “buzz words” that you cited
Any on the production side?
* No one gets what you call “a split of the money”. Any profits go to charity
The BKWSU charity ... as mentioned above by the BKWSU in a service new release.
But the question is, really,
who put the money in? Indie movies cost money, not make it. And how does one calculate the costs? What does a DVD cost to copy? What does podcast server space cost to rent?
* There are no ‘contracts’ ... what are you talking about?
Contracts .. licenses ... there were questions why ... as Baba's film containing Baba's knowledge which is free and should never be sold ... it could not be released freely on the internet and the response was because of "piracy". "Piracy", in essence, can only exist where there is an implicit license and ownership. Ownership exists in the form of implicit contract ... unless there is an explicit contract or license. One cannot steal something that is freely given.
If we buy one ... can we copy it and host it on this website for free viewing for our members? Or is that against the licensing contract?* The “Hunched up old Mataji” you refer in your attempt to make people sound like heartless idiots makes you sound a little idiotic yourself. Exactly which Mataji would someone going for a PHD use as a reference.
That is why we are interested HOW the BKWSU is spending its received donations ... is it on flattering movies which can be used for professional benefit ... or the social welfare of its more vulnerable members?
If that makes me sound idiotic then let me be at the head of the queue of idiots.
* Robin Ramsay was never disowned by his family
That is one to take up with
fellow anarchist John Olday, with whom he staged 'The Immortal Clown', whose original 70s memoirs are linked to in the quotation in this thread. Not me.
Frankly, I like the sound of the old Robin Ramsay. Logically, a scion of a multi-national corporation - one making its millions in 2nd World War from supply the military (no denials on that then?) - turning to the arts, anarchism, the hippie trail and cultic religion
IS very likely to disowned for a while at least. But there is no discredit from that in my book. More power to his elbow, man. Let the truth be out. He won't be the first trust fund BK to be latched on to by the good Sisters, if
you are suggesting therefore that is where the money came from.
*You refer to Barbara Ramsay as ‘the caged woman in ‘Prisoner’. She never appeared as anything like this.
"Lois Leifenbacker/Frances Hunter ... "Caged Women" was the name of the show in Canada but most folks would know it by the Prisoner title. She is also credited as a writer". This is one to take up with the
Internet Movie Database who are considered an industry standard. Not me. The Prisoner of Cell Block H became a cult classic. See referenced attached which also lists 'Chasing God' and Bellbird where Robin Ramsay acted.
Frances Hunter (Barbara Ramsay)
Judy's Sister, who arrives from the States to surprise her in. She is immediately revealed as conniving and insincere in her desire to get to know Judy better. She pretends to be Judy when Mr Askin calls at Driscoll, only to discover from him that her Father's will is sound after all. When Judy finds out about her double dealing, Frances retaliates by insulting her ...
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*Barbara Ramsay did not write “Chasing God”.
The Chasing God very own website wrote:SCRIPT/NARRATION EDITOR:
Barbara Bossert Ramsay has written for theatre and television, published books and had a newspaper column that was syndicated for almost a decade in major newspapers. Stage musicals and television series were followed by her critically acclaimed play ‘The Accidental Mystic’ with extended seasons in Australia, London, New York, and India. Her book ‘Finding the Magic’ continues to be a focal point for human development programs.
Her latest book ‘Traveller, the Seven Keys of Enlightenment’ has become an integral part of peace and higher consciousness programs in many countries.
By which they mean BKWSU.
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Chasing God asks, "How will God make an appearance at the end of time?". Sound familiar? ... and Monash Uni runs linked Youth program.
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In common parlance, "Chasing God" looks like a slick piece of market by BK followers placement dropping BK Prakashmani in between worthy religious leaders, who do not know the script and giving the BKWSU a medium to further exploit their inter-faith and educational market. Music by BK follower etc.
The Brahma Kumaris do not “operate” this project. It was made by individuals from their own interest with their own hard work and answerable to no “Brahmin higher authority.
They say it is "Baba's film". Gyan Sarovar is their property. What is HIM studios? I suppose the answer is, the Brahma Kumaris leadership do not NEED “operate” this project, they "operate" the operators. But I think you have some clarification to do here. Starting with the finances.
*Nice that you prefer the old Indian type movies to what you call New Age
It was bansy who
wrote that.
* The editing was done in a room generously offered at Global House
This is what we are investigating ... why some BKs are allowed to run personal projects and businesses out of BKWSU charity property and other BKs are not.
We want to know the Shrimat in that?
* And lastly no “flew around to Italy, Switzerland etc. India
Did they walk?
* Why does the ... address bother you ... ?
It was two fold. Firstly, the daughter of producer whose home is advertised the same address publicly told us we had to "speak to the producer" to answer our questions. It seemed a little unnatural and posed. Secondly, the other two addresses given for Saligram Studios were BKWSU centers whilst the film is being contrived as utterly independent. It is not.
Contrary to the writer of the original post I actually did my research and all the things I have written are facts.
Well ... one of the other writers has just provided for you their references in blazing technoscopic color ... where are yours?What a pathetic conglomeration of have truths, assumptions and out and out lies.
• I have in writing evidence of a senior Brahma Kumari falsifying a junior BK's CV claiming he has a degree when he had not.
• BK Lee James was outed by a journalist and admitted exaggerating his CV for the sake of BKWSU service.
• BK Janki Kripalani and the BKWSU was outed for never having had any scientist claim she is "the most stable mind in the world" and the BKWSU withdraws it ... but BKWSU India continues to use it verbatim.
* ex 'surrendered BK' mr green admits on the forum the fun they used to have "fluffing up CVs" for BKWSU services programmes ... at the very same BKWSU center that offered the production team use of an editing suite.
The list goes on and on ... this, Mr Freidman. As far as I understand, this is what this one aspect of what this forum exists for, another is to support the victims of it, another is to support those that wish to cut through it and challenge this modus operandi rather than perpetuate it.
See also,
this link.