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In the last thread 'Unwanted Dissidents' http://www.brahmakumaris.info/forum//viewtopic.php?p=42305#p42305 I have written about the fact that certain individuals are unwanted by the BKWSO. Or rather, I think it is a kind of mentality that the BKWSO abhors. And that is a critical, questioning mind. I think it is the presence or absence of this mentality that determines in the long run your position within the BKWSO, as long as you are there, with them.
During one of the last sessions I spoke with them about this issue. Mainly as the issue of cooperation was under discussion. I then learned that certain individuals left the BK, as described before.
The certer in charge, Trudy, told me that some individuals left a relativey long time ago. I asked her what happend to these individuals. The teacher replied that they resumed living an ordinary, everyday life like any other citizens. Later on, they sort of regrouped and discussed matters amongst each other.
But then there were yet other individuals and their behaviour was different. Whereas the individuals from the first group were satisfied by their own departure and nothing more than that, the individuals that left later on kept actively fighting against the BKWSO.
But there was yet another thing, they told me, as I was interested in meeting some of the people of the latter group mentioned. Although they were almost all inside the BK, incorporated, so to say, they opposed the Destruction paradigm. They hampered the organisations effectiveness and advancement, which made me wonder why it was so.
I raised that question and asked why the organisation disliked these people as they probably had a good reason for their point of view. (I also told them I had the same opinion that Destruction was wrong). I wondered if it was not more profitable that the BKWSO could learn from them and tried to listen to their grievances. Also I asked if it had to do with the PBK-group I had only very briefly heard about. But they told me it had nothing to do with the PBK-group.
I offered to talk to them and see what the reason for their position could be. But also I was interested. Both Mr. Whaling and the teacher were quite averse to the idea of me talking to them. They told me that these people would not understand me at that time (it was 1992 by then). I asked them why. They then told me that their mentality was dwelling deep within them and that they themselves were not aware of it at that moment. In fact it was dwelling so deep inside of them that no one was aware of it at that moment. And they themselves woud be the last to recognize.
However, I did ask more questions. I asked them that if they themselves were not aware of their position and if no one could detect their position, how could it be known then. This gave them (Mr. Whaling and the teacher Trudy) a grunting. They replied that they all would return to the BK again and their position was only temporarily (which I don't believe by the way, but that's my point of view).
As I insisted more, Mr. Whaling then sort of lost his calm, or his prudency, or both. He told me in an authoritarian way that they were vey well aware of who those individuals were. In fact, he knew exactly who those individuals were.
I then asked them if there were many. Mr. Whaling told me there were quite a few but that not all of them were very active. In fact, the group of people being actually active (i.e. openly opposing the BKWSO after having resigned) was very small. Most of them (i.e. this active group) but not all, were incorporated inside the BK at that moment and they were of course a real nuisance to the organisation. But because they were not actively acting against the BKWSO, nothing could be done. Some of them on the other hand had a position outside of the BKWSO but nevertheless by heart and mind were agains the BK. They were bystanders so to say.
About those individuals inside of the BK they were very plain. They were all completely incorporated and had totally surrendered to Baba. Completely encirceled they were and totally ineffective. They lived isolated from their families, and even their friends and closest friends were BK's. And they would stay there (i.e incorporated in the BK) for years.
As I was more interested I continued asking about the people that were oppposing the Destruction-paradigm, so to say. Mr. Whaling was the first to answer. He told me that the BKWSO was way too far advanced and could not be stopped, even if people tried.
He then told me that there was some opposition for a while, though. And as I waited for more information he told me more about it. He explained to me there was a website made by them, but only many years after they left and that people discussed matters on this site.
Although I had not heard yet about the worldwide web, I had read a book in which an american writer, writing about psychological matters, was discussing online with others. In those preliminary days the internet was not well developped yet and linked to universities and military regions, strictly divided though and later fused to become as it is. (At least that is as far as I know about the history of the web, and I am not that well informed in these matters).
However, as I had read this book, I had come across this paragraph in which this interaction was described, so that's why I could understand where they were talking about. The word "website" I did not know but I refraised it as an open forum where people could discuss matters which seemed to be correct. And they were very surprised that I had this knowledge, so that's why I explained them how I came to know.
So I asked if these critical people would start an open forum, which was the case. Then I asked what kind of forum it was. The teacher then intervened and told me that there were, roughly speaking two forums. One was the official forum run by the BKWSO intself, the other was the forum run by the critical people.
I responded by saying that I did not find it a severe matter if people would discuss matters concerning the BKWSO on an open forum. They told me this latter forum was a forum open to BK-adherents, BK-criticals and people related to the BKWSO in another way, for instance by being family or friends. Whereas the official BKWSO forum would be mostly for BK-adherents.
This, however, did not impress me at all, although, from their reactions it got the idea that they had expected it would do. So I continued saying that I still would find it a good idea that people were discussing about matters concerning the BKWSO.
The teacher intervened again saying that prior to the critical people's forum there was yet another forum. This other forum was shut down however. And they concentrated on a more philosophical aproach. But nevertheless it was shut down by the BKWSO because they considered it to be a threat.
I asked them why it was considered a threat. I think the main reason was because it lead to a much more severe forum.
Then Mr.Whaling said that he strongly regretted the BKWSO had closed that first preliminary critical forum because it was less agressive. People were discussing matters in a friendly way. He at least was against the action and blamed the first action to close down that preliminary forum. However the people high in the BK hierarchy decided to do so.
Then there was a discussion whether ot not the preliminary forum of the "criticals" would lead to the more agressive/ severe forum or not. Mr. Whaling grossly blamed the Seniors for their decision to close the preliminary forum down. Others, at the center argued that the preliminary forum would have evolved into a more agressive forum anyway.
I asked them why an agressive/ severe forum was such a huge problem to the BKWSO. I told them that sometimes you have to tell people things in a intense manner to get to the point.
Then other things started happening. A young student women, highly informed as well, said that the people from the critical forum tried to lure adherents away from the BK. "Do you think this is a good idea ?"
I responded that if people would leave, they did. I doubted whether a forum could cause things like this. "Yes but they reunited people with their families " she cried. I replied that I did not think this is a bad idea. After all they are family and will always stay so.
Then the teacher intervened and explained that for BK's it is important to loose all the family-ties as they are impure and distract people to worldly matters. I doubted that also.
I asked them again why this forum was such a problem to the BKWSO. Mr. Whaling threw a tantrum. "We have closed that forum once before and we will close it (being the second more severe forum) again ", he said. I asked him why. He replied : "Because they were reporting about all kind of scandals that occured within the BKWSO. They were only reporting about the bad things"
I asked him why it was such a problem to report about things that went wrong within an organisation. After all, I argued, people can learn about it. It keeps an organisation vital.
The teacher told me that scarsely there were adherents surveying the critical site but merely to learn from it and to make the organsation more effective, even though they did not believe what was being told over there. These were special indicated figures within the BKWSO and sometimes, for instance, they could prevent a targeted adherent by the "criticals" from leaving the BK nevertheless.
Mr. Whaling then told me it was not only the kind of subjects "the criticals" wrote about but also the way they did it that caused a problem. So I asked him in what kind of way they were writing. He hesitated a bit, grew confident and a bit angry and then told me the articles were written in a boulevard-tabloid kind of style, in a condescending kind of way.
The student woman said : "Don't you care about the damage that is being done by these people to the BKWSO". I replied again that I thought it wasn't a bad idea to bring matters into the open and discuss about them. Even if that would damage the BKWSO.
So I asked about what kind of matters they were concerned, 'cause that's the kind of words Mr.Whaling used as descibing the critical forum. And about that kind of matters I will tell in the next post of this thread.
Suffice to tell that Mr, Whaling told me that the writing of the "criticals" would eventualy completely tear the BKWSO apart. He told me that the "criticals" would tear at the BKWSO from all sides and that this would eventually lead to it's collapse, as well as internal factors (mainly, but not solely being corruption) that caused trouble.
But the discussion wasn't over.
Mr Whaling grew angry again, as the issue of the scandels was discussed. He told me in an angry voice : "We have shut down the forum once again and we will shut it down again. I know we can do it alltogether. You can join us too in that action".
I reminded him friendly of the fact that it hadn't worked before and that "the criticals" had only radicalised. I reminded him of the fact that he himself had said that it had been a bad act to close down the preliminary forum. "But we will do that alltogether", he replied. "We will shut it down again".
It told him to stop. "Let people have a forum to discuss matters", I said.
The BK-woman did not agree. She argued that it wasn't right what "the criticals" did. I asked her to specify that. She then told me that "the criticals" placed Murli's upon their forum, so that anyone could read it. She asked me in an upset voice whether I thought that that was a good thing to do.
I told her that I did not mind to much about that. I said it was a good thing that these Murli's would be accessable to all. But the BK-woman repelled that she and others had made a lot of efforts to retrieve all these murl's and that now others would get them effortless. I, on the other, had told them that I never understood why the Murli's weren't accessable to all. And that was it.
But all the adherents at the center disagreed and thought it was a bad idea. So then I asked who in fact were these people upon the critical second forum.
Mr. Whaling explained to me the people upon the critcal forum mainly were those who had left the BK (but not for good as he told me, and which I doubt , as said before. I think I cannot stress that enough).
Then the student-woman started to giggle. "Pink Panther" she said. She said she couldn't help herself for liking the name so much. And at least she showed to be a bit relaxed. It made her remind of the movie. She told me she liked it a lot.
I tried to follow the discussion but failed a little. I asked them why the people on the forum were talking about a movie. And I told I liked the movie of the Pink Panther as well.
"No", they told me, "Pink Panther is a name". I still did not get it. Then they explained to me that a person posting upon the critical forum called himself Pink Panter. And he has an avatar glued to his name of a small pink panther about which the student-woman was also quite amazed. "So cute, she called it".
Again I did not understood them. I asked them whether Pink Panther was an avatar, as I had learned that only Mr. Lekhray was an avatar, as far as the cult looks upon him.
"No has has got an avatar".
I did not understood so I asked them whether they regarded the individual named "Pink Panther" as an advanced person. "No", the teacher said, "he is an ordinary student, not an advanced person but the little image people glue to their name will be called an avatar."
So that's how I understood.
"Yes", Mr Whaling said. "And there is ex-l ". It is a individual living near London and running a center near London. In fact it is in the name. 'ex-l' means 'near London'. The "l" stands for London and "ex" means the person has left the BK.
"But why is the name of that person 'ex-l' where "ex" means the person has left the BKWSO even though that person is still running a center ? ", I asked.
Mr. Whaling told me that 'ex-l' even though that person was still within the BK, in the nearby future would leave the BKWSO. But he was very interested who ex-l in fact was. He told me he had some ideas about who ex-l was. What worried him was the enormous number of articles ex-l produced. He also told me that he thought that ex-l had a massive amount of BK-knowledge but 'did nothing with it' at that time, still being within the organisation.
I asked what he meant by that. Mr Whaling told me that ex-l, although having all The Knowledge, did not use that to transform. ex-l was working very hard, and the centre was always very tidy, everthing in order, but somewhere there was something missing. He also thought that ex-l on the inside felt very lonely and he said that he thought that it made ex-l work very hard while being a BK.
So then I asked whether I could not meet ex-l. "ex-l", they asked. Would you like to meet ex-l?" "Why not?", I said. The person is in a center near London. I can go there. There probably are not to many centers over there."
They wanted to know why I wanted to talk to ex-l. I replied that it was to find out why ex-l was doing the thing ex-l did; working hard although not being very satitisfied inside.
Mr. Whaling then said that it would not work. You cannot reach ex-l even if you talk to ex-l. In fact, ex-l won't even recognize the name. Mr. Whaling himself thought about going to ex-l and then in a subtly way trying to influence the person. But you, Misty, cannot he said.
"But what if you go there", I asked, "and call that person repeatedly ex-l".
"Then that person will simply tell you that is not the real surname. After a while that person will get bored, tell you there is still a lot work to do and go back to work", Mr. Whaling replied.
"You have got to let people grow in their own time, Misty", he told me.
So then I asked about Pink Panther. Mr. Whaling told me that they were pretty sure of who Pink Panther in fact really was. It was an individual from Australia and they explained where the name came from.
Mr. Whaling then explained to me that there were many others. One individual of the critical, severe forum was writing in Hindi, which caused a lot of hilarity because hardly no one could read it. But Mr. Whaling explained to me that the things that person wrote about were very severe, big scandals. He was not a BK-member but his articles touched the BK a lot. In fact Mr. Whaling was wondering why that writer wasn't touched by The Knowledge of the BKWSO instead.
Then Mr. Whaling told me details about a few others. He told me that in fact there were hunderds of them. He told me they even produced a list and would send that to the headquaters of Madhuban twice. But they stopped with that as it caused no effect.
This list of names would be about concerned people that wanted things to change. I asked the teacher if such a list would do any good at all. She replied that it was nevertheless a good thing to do, which made me wonder why because they were so adverse to "critcals". The teacher then explained that in the history of the BK, at the beginning, there were also petitions held, which at the time had a huge effect upon the Bhaibund society.
But then she showed her sinister traits again, proclaiming that by doing so, the BKWSO would immediately know who all those criticals were and anticipate on it. And they had been told in advance by Baba, so even though the shock was there, they were prepared. The second time that list was send, they were even more comfortable. And they made adherents write letters to Baba and the central management and the Seniors to tell them how happy they were to be Baba's child as a counterbalance.
So then I asked them whether the forum had no effect at all. Mr. Whaling denied that. It would have a huge effect and would reach many people. But it wouldn't stop the organisation from progressing forward. And yet it would totally rip the BK apart. But that was to be also, they said.
One thing Mr. Whaling was particually afraid of was that eventually people would place articles from that critical, evolved, more severe forum upon their facebook site's.
So that's when I asked what in fact a facebook was. They explained twice to me that it was nearly the same as a forum but that people could also place photo's upon it. And anyone could react to it, just like in any other forum. That people would talk there about everyday life.
To me that was hard to understand though right now it is common place.However they were very concerned because a forum could be closed, but articles from a facebooksite could never be removed.
But on the other hand their BK propaganda would spread as well in this way and could never be blocked nor be removed either and that was the good thing of it, to them.
Then Mr. Whaling explained to me that in fact there were a huge number of people that visited the critical 'second' site. Some things concerning the critical site were discussed as well and I will mention them shortly. I guess by now you may have discovered that it was a discussion about this current site.
Still the conversation went forwards. They discussed matters concerning the coming of Krishna and Radha.
I asked them where and when they would meet.
"Yes that's what everyone is anxious to know Misty ", Mr. Whaling said.
"They will meet in India", the student-woman said.
"Misty", I said is not my name. Why do you repetedly call me that way.
"Well maybe you like that name better. Maybe you already use the name sometimes", Mr. Whaling resumed.
I said I had no reference to that name and wondered why he called me so. And I said that I did not use it. That I had no reference to the name at all.
"Just try wearing that name for a while and maybe you will start to like it", he adviced me. Maybe you already use the name for yourself sometimes ", he suggested.
I told him it was an odd idea. Shrugged it off.
Then he told me this. "Look. What do you want to do now ? You are all alone. They are all in here, these others that you want to get to. No one supports your case. All the others that you want to see are within the BK. You cannot get to them but through us. You can meet them if you want so. We can bring you in contact with them. But they are all completely surrendered. They will only tell that you have to surrender too and study harder so you will better understand everything. Why don't you surrender completely ? Then you can stay with them if you do feel comfortable. But if you leave us and go out there, you are all alone. How will you make it out there on your own ? It will take years before they leave the BK. Will you be able to sustain youself that long ? I can tell you some more about them if you just stay a bit longer.
When I told him I was feeling inconfortable and thinking of leaving he sighed.
After that we went into meditation which was conducted by no one. And while I was meditating I was wondering. Who is Misty. Where are ex-l and Pink Panther. All they others are completely surrendered. Any critism is objected. No one inside the BK is opposing the destruction-paradigm. Even the most critical persons take that for granted... And hunderds of other thoughts passed. At that moment I did not know what to do. I felt very lonely.
During one of the last sessions I spoke with them about this issue. Mainly as the issue of cooperation was under discussion. I then learned that certain individuals left the BK, as described before.
The certer in charge, Trudy, told me that some individuals left a relativey long time ago. I asked her what happend to these individuals. The teacher replied that they resumed living an ordinary, everyday life like any other citizens. Later on, they sort of regrouped and discussed matters amongst each other.
But then there were yet other individuals and their behaviour was different. Whereas the individuals from the first group were satisfied by their own departure and nothing more than that, the individuals that left later on kept actively fighting against the BKWSO.
But there was yet another thing, they told me, as I was interested in meeting some of the people of the latter group mentioned. Although they were almost all inside the BK, incorporated, so to say, they opposed the Destruction paradigm. They hampered the organisations effectiveness and advancement, which made me wonder why it was so.
I raised that question and asked why the organisation disliked these people as they probably had a good reason for their point of view. (I also told them I had the same opinion that Destruction was wrong). I wondered if it was not more profitable that the BKWSO could learn from them and tried to listen to their grievances. Also I asked if it had to do with the PBK-group I had only very briefly heard about. But they told me it had nothing to do with the PBK-group.
I offered to talk to them and see what the reason for their position could be. But also I was interested. Both Mr. Whaling and the teacher were quite averse to the idea of me talking to them. They told me that these people would not understand me at that time (it was 1992 by then). I asked them why. They then told me that their mentality was dwelling deep within them and that they themselves were not aware of it at that moment. In fact it was dwelling so deep inside of them that no one was aware of it at that moment. And they themselves woud be the last to recognize.
However, I did ask more questions. I asked them that if they themselves were not aware of their position and if no one could detect their position, how could it be known then. This gave them (Mr. Whaling and the teacher Trudy) a grunting. They replied that they all would return to the BK again and their position was only temporarily (which I don't believe by the way, but that's my point of view).
As I insisted more, Mr. Whaling then sort of lost his calm, or his prudency, or both. He told me in an authoritarian way that they were vey well aware of who those individuals were. In fact, he knew exactly who those individuals were.
I then asked them if there were many. Mr. Whaling told me there were quite a few but that not all of them were very active. In fact, the group of people being actually active (i.e. openly opposing the BKWSO after having resigned) was very small. Most of them (i.e. this active group) but not all, were incorporated inside the BK at that moment and they were of course a real nuisance to the organisation. But because they were not actively acting against the BKWSO, nothing could be done. Some of them on the other hand had a position outside of the BKWSO but nevertheless by heart and mind were agains the BK. They were bystanders so to say.
About those individuals inside of the BK they were very plain. They were all completely incorporated and had totally surrendered to Baba. Completely encirceled they were and totally ineffective. They lived isolated from their families, and even their friends and closest friends were BK's. And they would stay there (i.e incorporated in the BK) for years.
As I was more interested I continued asking about the people that were oppposing the Destruction-paradigm, so to say. Mr. Whaling was the first to answer. He told me that the BKWSO was way too far advanced and could not be stopped, even if people tried.
He then told me that there was some opposition for a while, though. And as I waited for more information he told me more about it. He explained to me there was a website made by them, but only many years after they left and that people discussed matters on this site.
Although I had not heard yet about the worldwide web, I had read a book in which an american writer, writing about psychological matters, was discussing online with others. In those preliminary days the internet was not well developped yet and linked to universities and military regions, strictly divided though and later fused to become as it is. (At least that is as far as I know about the history of the web, and I am not that well informed in these matters).
However, as I had read this book, I had come across this paragraph in which this interaction was described, so that's why I could understand where they were talking about. The word "website" I did not know but I refraised it as an open forum where people could discuss matters which seemed to be correct. And they were very surprised that I had this knowledge, so that's why I explained them how I came to know.
So I asked if these critical people would start an open forum, which was the case. Then I asked what kind of forum it was. The teacher then intervened and told me that there were, roughly speaking two forums. One was the official forum run by the BKWSO intself, the other was the forum run by the critical people.
I responded by saying that I did not find it a severe matter if people would discuss matters concerning the BKWSO on an open forum. They told me this latter forum was a forum open to BK-adherents, BK-criticals and people related to the BKWSO in another way, for instance by being family or friends. Whereas the official BKWSO forum would be mostly for BK-adherents.
This, however, did not impress me at all, although, from their reactions it got the idea that they had expected it would do. So I continued saying that I still would find it a good idea that people were discussing about matters concerning the BKWSO.
The teacher intervened again saying that prior to the critical people's forum there was yet another forum. This other forum was shut down however. And they concentrated on a more philosophical aproach. But nevertheless it was shut down by the BKWSO because they considered it to be a threat.
I asked them why it was considered a threat. I think the main reason was because it lead to a much more severe forum.
Then Mr.Whaling said that he strongly regretted the BKWSO had closed that first preliminary critical forum because it was less agressive. People were discussing matters in a friendly way. He at least was against the action and blamed the first action to close down that preliminary forum. However the people high in the BK hierarchy decided to do so.
Then there was a discussion whether ot not the preliminary forum of the "criticals" would lead to the more agressive/ severe forum or not. Mr. Whaling grossly blamed the Seniors for their decision to close the preliminary forum down. Others, at the center argued that the preliminary forum would have evolved into a more agressive forum anyway.
I asked them why an agressive/ severe forum was such a huge problem to the BKWSO. I told them that sometimes you have to tell people things in a intense manner to get to the point.
Then other things started happening. A young student women, highly informed as well, said that the people from the critical forum tried to lure adherents away from the BK. "Do you think this is a good idea ?"
I responded that if people would leave, they did. I doubted whether a forum could cause things like this. "Yes but they reunited people with their families " she cried. I replied that I did not think this is a bad idea. After all they are family and will always stay so.
Then the teacher intervened and explained that for BK's it is important to loose all the family-ties as they are impure and distract people to worldly matters. I doubted that also.
I asked them again why this forum was such a problem to the BKWSO. Mr. Whaling threw a tantrum. "We have closed that forum once before and we will close it (being the second more severe forum) again ", he said. I asked him why. He replied : "Because they were reporting about all kind of scandals that occured within the BKWSO. They were only reporting about the bad things"
I asked him why it was such a problem to report about things that went wrong within an organisation. After all, I argued, people can learn about it. It keeps an organisation vital.
The teacher told me that scarsely there were adherents surveying the critical site but merely to learn from it and to make the organsation more effective, even though they did not believe what was being told over there. These were special indicated figures within the BKWSO and sometimes, for instance, they could prevent a targeted adherent by the "criticals" from leaving the BK nevertheless.
Mr. Whaling then told me it was not only the kind of subjects "the criticals" wrote about but also the way they did it that caused a problem. So I asked him in what kind of way they were writing. He hesitated a bit, grew confident and a bit angry and then told me the articles were written in a boulevard-tabloid kind of style, in a condescending kind of way.
The student woman said : "Don't you care about the damage that is being done by these people to the BKWSO". I replied again that I thought it wasn't a bad idea to bring matters into the open and discuss about them. Even if that would damage the BKWSO.
So I asked about what kind of matters they were concerned, 'cause that's the kind of words Mr.Whaling used as descibing the critical forum. And about that kind of matters I will tell in the next post of this thread.
Suffice to tell that Mr, Whaling told me that the writing of the "criticals" would eventualy completely tear the BKWSO apart. He told me that the "criticals" would tear at the BKWSO from all sides and that this would eventually lead to it's collapse, as well as internal factors (mainly, but not solely being corruption) that caused trouble.
But the discussion wasn't over.
Mr Whaling grew angry again, as the issue of the scandels was discussed. He told me in an angry voice : "We have shut down the forum once again and we will shut it down again. I know we can do it alltogether. You can join us too in that action".
I reminded him friendly of the fact that it hadn't worked before and that "the criticals" had only radicalised. I reminded him of the fact that he himself had said that it had been a bad act to close down the preliminary forum. "But we will do that alltogether", he replied. "We will shut it down again".
It told him to stop. "Let people have a forum to discuss matters", I said.
The BK-woman did not agree. She argued that it wasn't right what "the criticals" did. I asked her to specify that. She then told me that "the criticals" placed Murli's upon their forum, so that anyone could read it. She asked me in an upset voice whether I thought that that was a good thing to do.
I told her that I did not mind to much about that. I said it was a good thing that these Murli's would be accessable to all. But the BK-woman repelled that she and others had made a lot of efforts to retrieve all these murl's and that now others would get them effortless. I, on the other, had told them that I never understood why the Murli's weren't accessable to all. And that was it.
But all the adherents at the center disagreed and thought it was a bad idea. So then I asked who in fact were these people upon the critical second forum.
Mr. Whaling explained to me the people upon the critcal forum mainly were those who had left the BK (but not for good as he told me, and which I doubt , as said before. I think I cannot stress that enough).
Then the student-woman started to giggle. "Pink Panther" she said. She said she couldn't help herself for liking the name so much. And at least she showed to be a bit relaxed. It made her remind of the movie. She told me she liked it a lot.
I tried to follow the discussion but failed a little. I asked them why the people on the forum were talking about a movie. And I told I liked the movie of the Pink Panther as well.
"No", they told me, "Pink Panther is a name". I still did not get it. Then they explained to me that a person posting upon the critical forum called himself Pink Panter. And he has an avatar glued to his name of a small pink panther about which the student-woman was also quite amazed. "So cute, she called it".
Again I did not understood them. I asked them whether Pink Panther was an avatar, as I had learned that only Mr. Lekhray was an avatar, as far as the cult looks upon him.
"No has has got an avatar".
I did not understood so I asked them whether they regarded the individual named "Pink Panther" as an advanced person. "No", the teacher said, "he is an ordinary student, not an advanced person but the little image people glue to their name will be called an avatar."
So that's how I understood.
"Yes", Mr Whaling said. "And there is ex-l ". It is a individual living near London and running a center near London. In fact it is in the name. 'ex-l' means 'near London'. The "l" stands for London and "ex" means the person has left the BK.
"But why is the name of that person 'ex-l' where "ex" means the person has left the BKWSO even though that person is still running a center ? ", I asked.
Mr. Whaling told me that 'ex-l' even though that person was still within the BK, in the nearby future would leave the BKWSO. But he was very interested who ex-l in fact was. He told me he had some ideas about who ex-l was. What worried him was the enormous number of articles ex-l produced. He also told me that he thought that ex-l had a massive amount of BK-knowledge but 'did nothing with it' at that time, still being within the organisation.
I asked what he meant by that. Mr Whaling told me that ex-l, although having all The Knowledge, did not use that to transform. ex-l was working very hard, and the centre was always very tidy, everthing in order, but somewhere there was something missing. He also thought that ex-l on the inside felt very lonely and he said that he thought that it made ex-l work very hard while being a BK.
So then I asked whether I could not meet ex-l. "ex-l", they asked. Would you like to meet ex-l?" "Why not?", I said. The person is in a center near London. I can go there. There probably are not to many centers over there."
They wanted to know why I wanted to talk to ex-l. I replied that it was to find out why ex-l was doing the thing ex-l did; working hard although not being very satitisfied inside.
Mr. Whaling then said that it would not work. You cannot reach ex-l even if you talk to ex-l. In fact, ex-l won't even recognize the name. Mr. Whaling himself thought about going to ex-l and then in a subtly way trying to influence the person. But you, Misty, cannot he said.
"But what if you go there", I asked, "and call that person repeatedly ex-l".
"Then that person will simply tell you that is not the real surname. After a while that person will get bored, tell you there is still a lot work to do and go back to work", Mr. Whaling replied.
"You have got to let people grow in their own time, Misty", he told me.
So then I asked about Pink Panther. Mr. Whaling told me that they were pretty sure of who Pink Panther in fact really was. It was an individual from Australia and they explained where the name came from.
Mr. Whaling then explained to me that there were many others. One individual of the critical, severe forum was writing in Hindi, which caused a lot of hilarity because hardly no one could read it. But Mr. Whaling explained to me that the things that person wrote about were very severe, big scandals. He was not a BK-member but his articles touched the BK a lot. In fact Mr. Whaling was wondering why that writer wasn't touched by The Knowledge of the BKWSO instead.
Then Mr. Whaling told me details about a few others. He told me that in fact there were hunderds of them. He told me they even produced a list and would send that to the headquaters of Madhuban twice. But they stopped with that as it caused no effect.
This list of names would be about concerned people that wanted things to change. I asked the teacher if such a list would do any good at all. She replied that it was nevertheless a good thing to do, which made me wonder why because they were so adverse to "critcals". The teacher then explained that in the history of the BK, at the beginning, there were also petitions held, which at the time had a huge effect upon the Bhaibund society.
But then she showed her sinister traits again, proclaiming that by doing so, the BKWSO would immediately know who all those criticals were and anticipate on it. And they had been told in advance by Baba, so even though the shock was there, they were prepared. The second time that list was send, they were even more comfortable. And they made adherents write letters to Baba and the central management and the Seniors to tell them how happy they were to be Baba's child as a counterbalance.
So then I asked them whether the forum had no effect at all. Mr. Whaling denied that. It would have a huge effect and would reach many people. But it wouldn't stop the organisation from progressing forward. And yet it would totally rip the BK apart. But that was to be also, they said.
One thing Mr. Whaling was particually afraid of was that eventually people would place articles from that critical, evolved, more severe forum upon their facebook site's.
So that's when I asked what in fact a facebook was. They explained twice to me that it was nearly the same as a forum but that people could also place photo's upon it. And anyone could react to it, just like in any other forum. That people would talk there about everyday life.
To me that was hard to understand though right now it is common place.However they were very concerned because a forum could be closed, but articles from a facebooksite could never be removed.
But on the other hand their BK propaganda would spread as well in this way and could never be blocked nor be removed either and that was the good thing of it, to them.
Then Mr. Whaling explained to me that in fact there were a huge number of people that visited the critical 'second' site. Some things concerning the critical site were discussed as well and I will mention them shortly. I guess by now you may have discovered that it was a discussion about this current site.
Still the conversation went forwards. They discussed matters concerning the coming of Krishna and Radha.
I asked them where and when they would meet.
"Yes that's what everyone is anxious to know Misty ", Mr. Whaling said.
"They will meet in India", the student-woman said.
"Misty", I said is not my name. Why do you repetedly call me that way.
"Well maybe you like that name better. Maybe you already use the name sometimes", Mr. Whaling resumed.
I said I had no reference to that name and wondered why he called me so. And I said that I did not use it. That I had no reference to the name at all.
"Just try wearing that name for a while and maybe you will start to like it", he adviced me. Maybe you already use the name for yourself sometimes ", he suggested.
I told him it was an odd idea. Shrugged it off.
Then he told me this. "Look. What do you want to do now ? You are all alone. They are all in here, these others that you want to get to. No one supports your case. All the others that you want to see are within the BK. You cannot get to them but through us. You can meet them if you want so. We can bring you in contact with them. But they are all completely surrendered. They will only tell that you have to surrender too and study harder so you will better understand everything. Why don't you surrender completely ? Then you can stay with them if you do feel comfortable. But if you leave us and go out there, you are all alone. How will you make it out there on your own ? It will take years before they leave the BK. Will you be able to sustain youself that long ? I can tell you some more about them if you just stay a bit longer.
When I told him I was feeling inconfortable and thinking of leaving he sighed.
After that we went into meditation which was conducted by no one. And while I was meditating I was wondering. Who is Misty. Where are ex-l and Pink Panther. All they others are completely surrendered. Any critism is objected. No one inside the BK is opposing the destruction-paradigm. Even the most critical persons take that for granted... And hunderds of other thoughts passed. At that moment I did not know what to do. I felt very lonely.