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What are the Brahma Kumaris trying to communicate to followers?

Post29 Nov 2018

मित्र-सम्बन्धियों की याद से आत्मा मैली बन जाती है। पहले नम्बर का किचड़ा है देह-अभिमान का, फिर लोभ मोह का किचड़ा शुरू होता है, यह विकारों की मैल आत्मा पर चढ़ती है। फिर बाप की याद भूल जाती है, सर्विस नहीं कर सकते हैं।

What are they trying to communicate to followers?

They are clearly saying "stay away from your family and friend".

This is 28th Nov 2018's Murli.
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Post29 Nov 2018

Rita wrote:What are they trying to communicate to followers?

They are not "trying" to communicate, they are very clearly and specifically 'succeeding' - not just to communicate what they want but in indoctrinating their followers too ... achieving a total separation of individual family members from the rest of their family, community and all other influences that might question of challenge their control over and exploitation of their adherents. Even other BKs.

The deeper question though is, what are they really communicating by such internal statement and their external statements in total.

Externally, they will spout all sort of "sounds right", "feel good" or "New Agey" platitudes about loving, showing respect and fulfilling one's karmas etc. But internally, they teach adherents to "die alive" to their families, and all sorts of insulting claims about them being "demons", "impure", ignorant "shudras" and so on ... even when family members are far more educated, experienced, even genuinely spiritual than the Brahma Kumari teachers.

They will also instruct their followers to lie to and deceive their families (I have experienced this myself and e have read many such cases on this forum).

This, to me, is the even greater danger or problem ... the Brahma Kumaris teach people to be dishonest and call it "Spirituality" and "godliness" when, in fact, it is the entire opposite.

The practise does not invoke but is a sort of schizophrenia between the external face and the internal reality they know perfectly well - from decades of criticism - damages and destroys families.

For me, if one was to stand back and look at the biggest possible picture, this problem is this ...

Having adopted a non-sexual, anti-family, anti-child bearing culture - for the sake of a 'religious' appearances they can exploit for material gains - the Brahma Kumaris have had to develop a different way to procreate and expand.

That way is, in essence, to steal other ready made adult children, by breaking up families, and then infantilise them ... to make them into submissive children. They then becoming the surrogate mothers or elder Sisters.

The benefit of stealing ready made adult children (and they have recruited young virgin females in their 10,000s), is that the Brahma Kumari community is saved the expense of raising them. The mental, emotional and financial cost of raising children is huge. Between $100,000 and $250,000 in the West (translate that into an equivalent rate in India, say, 10 to 15 years salary).

Each adult the Brahma Kumaris 'steal' from society, they save the equivalent of $100,000 and $250,000 and can expand much faster.

Clearly they don't just steal children and young adults - although that was how they started - now they steal elders too (useful as retired people have more time and money), even Father figures, to create their surrogate society.

On one hand, it all comes down not to just "money", but to economics. Their God needs lots of money and to save as much as possible by acquiring valuable "free stuff".

On the other hand, we are seeing - I would argue - a very sick mental condition where dishonesty has led to a sort of schizophrenic activity.

I would have to say I suffered from that during my time inside the BKs ... but I was not as sick (because I was not so dishonest) as the leaders.
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Re: What are the Brahma Kumaris trying to communicate to fol

Post29 Nov 2018

I don't know a more poetic way to say it ... but with the BKs, there is what they are say to others, and what their actions *really* say about them.

The BKs have spent decades refining their external message to sound good and trigger the right responses, including have other people defend them ... because they 'sound right' ... they fulfil social expectations of "being spiritual".

However, what they say - their advertising - is often entirely contradictory to their real internal teachings, hence many or even most people are fooled by them, and some sucked in not realising what is going on until too late.
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Re: What are the Brahma Kumaris trying to communicate to fol

Post29 Nov 2018

Rita,

The hypocrisy of such Murli points is blatant. There are others where BKs are told that attachment to the BKs is good, that having ego as BK is good, that is ”pure ego” ... and so on.
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Re: What are the Brahma Kumaris trying to communicate to fol

Post30 Nov 2018

And here is the warning from BapDada. If you leave group, it's not the brainwashed knowledge to be blamed it's your brain or your intelligence to be blamed. You are not blessed or intelligent enough to understand the true knowledge.

Hahaha, what a joke.

Why cant BapDada provide little intelligence to us to understand The Knowledge?
बाप जो ज्ञान के वन्डरफुल राज़ सुनाते हैं वह न समझने के कारण संशय उत्पन्न होता है इसलिए नये-नये पत्ते मुरझा जाते हैं फिर पढ़ाई छोड़ देते हैं। इसमें समझाने वाले बच्चे बहुत होशियार चाहिए। अगर कोई संशय उठता है तो बड़ों से पूछना चाहिए। उत्तर नहीं मिलता तो बाप से भी पूछ सकते हैं।
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Re: What are the Brahma Kumaris trying to communicate to fol

Post30 Nov 2018

तुम त्रिकालदर्शी हो तीनों कालों को जानने वाले हो, त्रिलोकीनाथ हो अर्थात् तीनों लोकों को जानने वाले हो। लक्ष्मी-नारायण को त्रिलोकीनाथ, त्रिकालदर्शी नहीं कहेंगे। मनुष्य फिर कृष्ण को त्रिलोकीनाथ कहते हैं। जो सर्विस करेंगे उनकी प्रजा बनेगी। अपना वारिस भी बनाना है, प्रजा भी बनानी है। तो यह बुद्धि में होना चाहिए - हम त्रिलोकीनाथ हैं। यह बातें बड़ी वन्डरफुल हैं। बच्चे पूरी रीति समझा नहीं सकते तो कन्स्ट्रक्शन के बदले डिस्ट्रक्शन कर लेते हैं। निकले हुए पत्तों को मुरझा देते हैं फिर पढ़ाई को छोड़ देते हैं। हम कहेंगे कल्प पहले भी ऐसा हुआ था, बीती सो बीती देखो। अब तुम बच्चे सारे सृष्टि के आदि-मध्य-अन्त को जान गये हो, हिस्ट्री और जॉग्राफी जानते हो। बाकी मनुष्य बातें तो बहुत बनाते हैं ना, क्या-क्या लिखते हैं, कैसे नाटक बनाते हैं!

Looks like their God does not even know basic language. Always communicating as if he is illiterate.

Who writes this kind of language? Who is unable to understand?

Can anybody in this forum translate this Hindi into Hindi?
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Re: What are the Brahma Kumaris trying to communicate to fol

Post01 Dec 2018

Rita wrote:Looks like their God does not even know basic language. Always communicating as if he is illiterate.

Who writes this kind of language?

You raise a good point, especially for Western BKs for whom Lekhraj Kirpalani's limited and repetitive "stream of consciousness" utterances were polished and refined by English speaking Indian or Sindhi Sisters. By now, the Murlis have also been edited, revised, reduced, edited out, even inverted and re-written by who I call the "Murli Monkeys" up in Mount Abu (a symbolic reference to Hanuman's army of them).

We were fooled by these polished, made "magical", versions and had no way to tell what class, or level of intelligence the original teacher was, how inspired or poetic they were. We were even told by the leaders that we would get extra karmic bonus for our efforts because we were not able to read or hear the teachings in their original language ... in short, we projected unreal expectations and invested unreal values upon, because we wanted there to be a god, for god to come to earth to teach, for ourselves to be *so* special and important that he would come for us.

This is the mentality within BKism. It is a case of "The Emperor's New Clothes", where no one wants to admit he is naked. After a while the Murlis would become incredibly boring and repetitive but we submitted to them believing it to be doing us some good. Like, how many times do you need to hear "Krishna is not God" before you get it?

The simple answer to your question is, we don't know any more and few to no recent BKs - by which I mean in the last 25 years or more - have any idea how the original ones read as they are not made public.

For me this is bizarre because, surely, if they were "the words of God", surely they would be priceless, profound and meaningful?

The truth is, they were not. They were boring as hell, limited, prejudiced, exceptionally repetitive and narrow in scope ... in short, the ramblings of a deluded - possibly mentally ill/possible spirit possessed - old man (Lekhraj Kirpalani) who thought he was god for 20 years, and then thought god had permanently entered him and was speaking through him.

Another Hindi speaker also once told us that "God", the BKs' god spirit, spoke in lower middle class Hindi (and did not know Sanskrit). They claim ancient Sanskrit is a derivative of more modern Hindi, rather than the other way around.

In our Library section, we have some more original Hindi Murlis going back to the 1980s, I think. I have a few hand written ones going back further. It would be interesting to read your views of them and to read more critiques of the content and style.
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Post04 Dec 2018

I feel that, these documents are not understandable. I have gone through some of the old documents. It just keep on repeating same words and sentences in different ways.

BKs say that to find god we don't have to think logically and they are doing it in most extreme ways. For each and every Hindu story they are finding their own logical meaning and interpreting.
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Rita wrote:I feel that, these documents are not understandable. I have gone through some of the old documents. It just keeps on repeating same words and sentences in different ways.

Yes, absolutely. Except they are not "finding their own logical meaning" ... there's nothing "logical" to it.

What they do is invest a magical value to them, like they would accused "bhagats" of (one of their worst insults is to call someone a seeker or worshipper, rather than - like them - a "Gyani" or knower). They are told to believe, they encourage each other, that to sit after a period of trance meditation and listen to these every day, to think about them for the day, is somehow purifying and elevating their soul.

Asked why we had to be told "Krishna is not God" several times a day, every day for years ... when never thought Krishna was God to beginning with ... we would be told made up answers like, "Oh, it's because for many births you thought Krishna was God, therefore you have to have it washed away by hearing it time and time again".

Some increasingly old man who spent much of his time solitary - and probably suffered from some mild mental illness - sat down with a small community of uneducated, unexposed to the world, and dependent women who he had totally controlled for decades, and spoke "stream of consciousness" style* for an hour back in the 1960s, repeating the same things again and again in a hypnotic manner.

They recorded it, chose a 5 year snapshot of the sessions, and now keep repeating them 5 years after 5 years after 5 years claiming it to be the word of God ... only except now they are chopping and changing and shortening them, as you have recognised.

In a way, it does not matter. What matters is they have a scripture, a ritual and a demand that must be accepted (to be an accepted or surrendered BK you must attend class every day), in order to hang a religion on it and make a living off it.

They don't know anything else to do. It worked for their Seniors, it's ... just ... working for them. Eventually it will all wear out. One has to wonder what they will replace it with, as they won't want to give up the business and income.

They cannot because they have so many overheads (hence altering "God's words" to make them more palatable for their consumer market.

I remember how boring they were. Usually, each one would have something contemporary item of interest towards the end, where Lekhraj Kirpalani was addressing some matter in the community or India at the time he spoke. But otherwise, after listening them to a few months, you could make one up yourself.

There truly is very little to no depth in them.

I say BKism is all about 'acceptance via repetition' rather than understanding.

* Stream of consciousness is a narrative device that attempts to give the written equivalent of the character's thought processes, either in a loose interior monologue.

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