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wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

I think it is a question of how refined the consciousness is at any time, i.e., to what degree the essence of a soul is emerged in the mind.
Also, I feel that there is a sort of constant balancing act between the 'power' (careful again) of the being when in deep soul consciousness in comparison to the 'power' of the being when in body consciousness. It is obvious that we are in a very powerless state, when we are totally body conscious and the opposite is true in soul consciousness. Perhaps a second of deep s.c. is equal to a billion hours of b.c...........Do you get the gist of what I am trying to express?

love
wahl

Guest · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject:

I know what you mean. BUT, one can easily use his soul conscious 'power' in a wrong way (manipulation). So that leads us to a fundamental issue: what makes you sure that being soul conscious is just "good"? As there are many ways of being body concious, in the same way there can be different ways of being soul conscious. You see, there is still the old idea that whatever it is, materialistic is bad and metaphysical is per definition better or just plain "good". I'm afraid that's simply not true. In my opinion and experience, it's all about the HOW.

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Guest · Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject:

where there is power, there is bound to be manipulation

I can't see why you don't know what I mean. Certainly not as an x-bk since bk's find it a normal thing to do - i.e. manipulating people through their o so phantastic drishti/vibrations/whatever
But instead of talking about manipulation, they talk about 'positive vibrations' --- it's all so relative Wink

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Kevin, we are going round in circles here. You always relate everything back to how the BKs are out to get everyone under their wicked spell! Rolling Eyes

Please forget about the BKs for just a moment.
Soul consciousness was not invented by the BKs. It is a state of being which is way, way, way beyond the gross and clumsy quality of thought that is required in order to have the desire to manipulate someone.
The power of any soul is the purest essence of that being........the starting point, the virgin state, before any experience. I imagine that a tiny baby, in it's first birth would not have much experience in the art of manipulation. Are you suggesting that the essence of a being can be pure evil...... Or are you misinterpreting what I mean by soul consciousness?
What do you mean by the term soul consciousness?
Love
wahl

Guest · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject:

there is more in life than soul consciousness -- whatever that is

I'm not turning in circles, but you seem to have difficulties in following my reasoning. You talk about "power" in relation to soul consciousness ... when I relate on this, you can't follow. Ik just want to make clear that turning into that "spiritual" world is not necessarily a good thing. It's a great misconception. I bet you can easily kill a person in the wonderful stage of soul consciousness. It does not make you a good person.

I believe that after the things i've read that the Self is an emergent product of the brain. Different parts of the brain produce a part of your person and unite themselves as "I"' - this phenomenon is non-local, hence non-physical. If I were to cut a few pieces out of your brain here and there (without killing you Wink

), your entire person (self) would be disordered.
Do you really think there is some kind of "point of light" (whatever that is) in your brain which is "You"? How does this You use the brain?? No no, the brain uses itself. We musn't create a duality, when that's not necessary.
What's more: the brain creates a simulation of the world around you, including your body. You and I live in a simulated reality .. we are even taking part in that simulation ourselves. It's not that you are observing this simulation, you are it!

This is still unfinished business for me, but I do believe that the simple dualistic view of body - soul is fundamentally wrong. It's not sustained by brain research (at all). The only thing you can bring on are reincarnation stories -- but what is their value? Reincarnation might be a completely different process than we all imagine.

Guest · Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject:

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England