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arjun



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject:

Dear Sam, Omshanti.

Here are my views (based on Advance knowledge received from Baba) on the exchange of drishti by BKs:
As long as Dada Lekhraj alias Brahma was alive, incorporeal Supreme Father Shiv used to enter into him and enable his unworldly (aloukik) children to experience soul consciousness and fill them with energy with his divine vision. As long as he lived, Brahma Kumaris never gave drishti (looking at each otherís eyes as part of meditation) to other Brahma Kumaris in the name of Raj Yog. But after the demise of Dada Lekhraj alias Brahma, Brahma Kumaris started giving drishti to other Brahmakumaris.

This is a wrong practice, since the Brahma Kumaris have not achieved the fully soul-conscious stage. And since the Supreme Father Shiva does not enter into them, they cannot give drishti to others to purify them. This sort of giving and receiving Ďdrishtií in the midst of degraded souls enhances the subtle body conscious state, and does not eliminate it. Actually, the correct way of Raj Yog is to remember the Supreme Father through his living corporeal medium. There are murli points to support the above views and can be communicated to you through email if you desire.
With regards,
On Godly service,
Arjun
bansy



Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 84

PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject:

I did raise the issue of drishti in another BK/XBK section; http://www.xbkchat.com/xbkforum/viewtopic.php?t=839

I want to be diplomatic here, but the PBK answer seems plausible. A tree laden with ripe fruit bends down, in humbleness, to its receiver.

That does not mean it does not have self respect, but is able to look up at any situation in confidence but also to not look directly at anything when humble. Isn't it odd we usually (naturally) make way for a blind person when they are heading towards you ?
arjun



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject:

Dear John,
Omshanti. You asked, "When you say oral love. Do you mean kissing or oral as in verbal?"

I have been fortunate to talk to Baba on this topic today and he has confirmed that 'mukh ka pyaar' or 'oral love' is not 'verbal' but 'kissing' only.

But I would like to add that since this topic is a bit sensitive it would be better if any further inferences, guesses or querries arising out of the above answer could also be got cleared by Baba. One such inference could be that if deities do it why not us? But since we are not in such a pure soul conscious stage it would be advisable not to attempt it. Any such attempt in any percentage of body consciousness or with attachment will only lead to the numberwise discharge of energy or vigour (shakti).
With regards,
On Godly service,
Arjun
arjun



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject:

Respected sister Bansy,
Omshanti. I agree with you views. I also personally feel that young BK sisters sitting on high pedestals (read sandhali) giving drishti to souls much senior to them in age does not present a picture of humility that Baba wants us to be. As it is in India it is a part of the culture to wish any person senior to us in age with a Namaste (folding hands) or Pranaam (touching of their feet). As a BK I felt more comfortable taking drishti from the non-living picture of Brahma Baba than the BK sisters. While sitting in meditation in a gathering a BK student has to pay more attention as to when his turn would come to receive drishti from the sister giving drishti. And those who do not receive drishti when their turn comes are generally considered to be disobedient by the BK teachers. Now, should the BKs concentrate on remembering Shivbaba or on waiting for their turn to receive drishti from the sister giving drishti?
I would like to add that in a recent revised sakar murli dated 14.10.05, page 2 published by the BKs it has been said by Baba that
it cannot be possible for the human beings to teach Rajyog to human beings for mukti or jeevanmukti. Now Father only is teaching you souls. This proves that the Yog being taught by human beings to human beings at the BK centers is not Rajyog. It is famous in Gita also that a householder Shri Krishna taught Rajyog to another householder Arjun. Then how can unmarried Brahmakumari sisters sit and teach Rajyog to married human beings? In order to teach Rajyog Father will have to come in the form of a householder only, isnít it? So then where is Father teaching Rajyog?
With regards,
On Godly service,
Arjun
Mr Green



Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 41

PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:38 pm    Post subject:

arjun wrote:
Respected sister Bansy,
Omshanti. I agree with you views. I also personally feel that young BK sisters sitting on high pedestals (read sandhali) giving drishti to souls much senior to them in age does not present a picture of humility that Baba wants us to be. As it is in India it is a part of the culture to wish any person senior to us in age with a Namaste (folding hands) or Pranaam (touching of their feet). As a BK I felt more comfortable taking drishti from the non-living picture of Brahma Baba than the BK sisters. While sitting in meditation in a gathering a BK student has to pay more attention as to when his turn would come to receive drishti from the sister giving drishti. And those who do not receive drishti when their turn comes are generally considered to be disobedient by the BK teachers. Now, should the BKs concentrate on remembering Shivbaba or on waiting for their turn to receive drishti from the sister giving drishti?
I would like to add that in a recent revised sakar murli dated 14.10.05, page 2 published by the BKs it has been said by Baba that
it cannot be possible for the human beings to teach Rajyog to human beings for mukti or jeevanmukti. Now Father only is teaching you souls. This proves that the Yog being taught by human beings to human beings at the BK centers is not Rajyog. It is famous in Gita also that a householder Shri Krishna taught Rajyog to another householder Arjun. Then how can unmarried Brahmakumari sisters sit and teach Rajyog to married human beings? In order to teach Rajyog Father will have to come in the form of a householder only, isnít it? So then where is Father teaching Rajyog?
With regards,
On Godly service,
Arjun


that doesn't count as proof, does it?
arjun



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
Posts: 29

PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject:

Dear brother, Omshanti. If you want more proofs from the murlis then it can be provided to you through email. Or if you want any other proof kindly specify it clearly.
With regards,
On Godly service,
Arjun
ex-london



Joined: 18 Jul 2005
Posts: 131

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:23 am    Post subject:

Hi Arjun

I think what the contributor above is saying is that just because a sentence is written on a piece of paper, and given one particular meaning for all time, that does not constitute " proof ".

" Proof " we tend to understand in the West has a mathematical or scientific certainty that is immediately reproducible. You are expressing faith in a particularly belief that can neither be proved right nor wrong. And we wont know which until the end of time.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your input. It is very good to have someone that is honest and proud about what is written in the Murlis and is willing to make those public. This proves the strength of your faith.

I also think it is interesting to see how and where the PBKs have taken the knowledge to a deeper more metaphysical level, e.g. your comments on the 16 degrees.

Do you have an understanding of what the 8 powers are?

ex-l
arjun wrote:
Dear brother, Omshanti. If you want more proofs from the murlis then it can be provided to you through email. Or if you want any other proof kindly specify it clearly.
With regards,
On Godly service,
Arjun
arjun



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
Posts: 29

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject: 8 powers

Dear Ex-l,
Omshanti. Thanks for your views. Murlis as a proof are meant only for the BKs/PBKs and not the outside world, because the outside world does not have faith in the murlis as the versions of God. As regards proofs for the non-BKs/non-PBKs, Baba has said that one day science will also become instrumental in proving this Godly knowledge. I believe the scientists wing of BKs has done considerable research in this regard. But much more research is needed to prove all the aspects of Godly knowledge. But I sincerely believe that the Godly knowledge will slowly but surely be proved through science one day.

As regards the 8 powers, I think these powers are the same as enumerated by the BKs, like the power of tolerance, power of decision making, power of assimilation, etc.

But in the path of worship (i.e. bhaktimarg) the eight shaktis are believed to be the eight consorts of Shiva, worshipped during the Navratras (the nine days of worship) with different names like Durga, Kali, Gauri, Katyayini etc. Each Devi or shakti is asscociated with a particular power. In the advance knowledge it is believed that just like the roles of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar are played by three Brahmin souls, the roles of these Shaktis are played by eight Brahmin souls who will get revealed by the end of Confluence age. Just like the Devis of the bhaktimarg, the eight shaktis among the Brahmin souls will also be characterised by unique powers/specialties.
With regards,
On Godly service,
Arjun
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