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John
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Hi ex london.
I'm an XBK in that I know longer am part of the Institution or go to any BK centres. But I still believe in ShivaBaba and gyan.
Where I'm heading I don't know..soon as I do I'll let you know  |
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John
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| I started as a BK in 1984 and have visited madhuban once in 1985. I drifted from the BK centres after a few years, but I still studied murlis, BK books and have meditated up to this day. |
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John
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Although I strongly believe in the murlis. I'm not sure if I believe everything that BKs say. I have been out of the loop for many years and some of the BK developements that I'm starting to recently find out I think are a cause for concern. My opinion at this moment in time is that they have lost the plot a bit.
What I'm interested in is uncovering the truth of the yagya good and bad bits. I think it's all relevant. |
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John
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What concerns me at the moment is the apparent status seeking amongst BKs...Trimurti dadis?...I can't see how any hierachy can be established yet, that strikes me as not right.
Also the inability after nearly 70 years to answer deeper questions that will satisfy more souls. I really thought by know they would have all or most of the answers. That has really surprised me. |
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Tete
Joined: 26 Jan 2005
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John,
So, were you celibate and following all the other aspects of the BK like or were you a part timer (what I refer to the ones that took a little of this and a little of that)?
How much time did you spend at the centers?
How do you get the current Murlis etc., now that you are not a full participant? 
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John
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Whilst in the BK life. I would say I was a full timer. I visited the centre every morning for class, sometimes in the evening as well. I never lived in any centre.
The murlis I had were from my time in BK and some Avyakta vani from when I went to madhuban. I was never not allowed to have murlis. Where to get them from now, I wish I knew...do you know?
One of the members from this forum has posted me some, but that is all I know of. |
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John
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I found this forum whilst looking on the internet for murlis, which was only recently. This is my first contact with any XBK BK in many years. I have also come across the PBK websites, which was a huge surprise to me and I have downloaded some Murlis from there sites. I've also seen some murlis on this site.
http://www.rajayoga.org.pl/en/?name=about |
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Tete
Joined: 26 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: BK life |
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John,
Do you have a family?
I noticed the PBKs have made their site a bit more sophisticated and that they added a dictionary (the one here has charm with a wink and on going participation). Are you now seeking to become a PBK or just trying to see if the Murlis help you out in your spiritual journey? How old were you when you became a BK?
I often wonder if some BKs are really PBKs in which case I am spinning in a circle. Since you were a BK since 1984 have you found comfort in some of the others that are here at XBKchat? Solace perhaps? I have, it has helped me see some things from a different point of view.
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Tete |
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wahl
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
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Location: Essex, England
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Good question......I think it is that he stays in the Incorporeal stage of consciousness and in that way I think we can learn that we can be in that stage whilst being in the body.
Absolutely! 
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wahl |
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John
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Tete
As I said before I'm not sure which direction I am going.
| Quote: | | I often wonder if some BKs are really PBKs in which case I am spinning in a circle |
I'm really not sure what you mean here.
You ask me how I find this XBK forum. I find it a relief that people speak openly about things concerning the BK world. |
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John
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Dear Tete
I have been reading some of your previous posts to try and get an understanding of what angle you are coming from.
I do not have a family of my own, as in wife, children.
That is just my situation and not to do with me being involved in BK world.
At the end of the day I would do what I consider to be best, if it doesn't fit with BK regime then so be it. After all it is my role in drama.
For myself I am not against having a wife, partner, children.
I believe more in the householder path, rather than renunciate path.
I am still very much learning about spiritual matters. What I do understand I will be glad to pass on to you, but it is limited. |
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uddhava
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Joined: 20 Jan 2005
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I think I have to make my understanding clear.
I always feel uncomfortable with the description of God entering the body of Brahma Baba because it implies that Brahma Baba is 'asleep' or not aware of what is going on. |
Well I think this is a personal thing - it doesn't imply this for me. Anyway having established that he does not fall asleep, do you think that God enters the body of Brahma Baba?
| Quote: | | The narration in the sakar murli shifts without warning from Baba to Brahma Baba and it is as if the two are working together in a totally natural way. |
I would like to understand more about this - does anyone know the official BK view of roughly how much of the sakar murli is spoken by Brahma Baba and how much by God? |
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wahl
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
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Location: Essex, England
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| Quote: | | do you think that God enters the body of Brahma Baba? |
The key word here is 'enter' and how we understand it? I think there is no doubt that Brahma Baba is acting as a spiritual conduit for God but when you use the word enter (and I know that this is the description in the murli), then, as I said, before, it implies that God take on a physical aspect. For me, this is not possible.
However, I do think that there is a meeting of two great minds. The murli is the expression of their communication on that mental level and Brahma Baba is the soul that physically speaks the murli.
| Quote: | | The narration in the sakar murli shifts without warning from Baba to Brahma Baba and it is as if the two are working together in a totally natural way. |
If you read any sakar murli you will see that this is what happens.
with love
wahl |
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John
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Wahl
Do you think any soul enters Dadi Gulzar? |
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wahl
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I think possibly Brahma Baba.
with love
wahl |
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